On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:24:44 +0100, "Claus Reinke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>What is needed is a discussion of list charter. The only thing I've >>>seen was "Discussion about beginner questions and issues in >>>teaching Haskell", with the implicit assumption that those beginners >>>are non-academic students, but in some form of education/school. >> >> How about the following mailing list description? >> "Discussion about beginner issues in learning Haskell" >> >> Would this be suitable? > >It differs from/is more general than your original interests/aims: > > 2) To provide a primarily non-research-oriented discussion forum > to serve the needs of non-computer-science students of Haskell > who wish to focus on Haskell as a language for learning programming > as part of a well-rounded a liberal arts education, as opposed to an > engineering/mathematics/science-oriented education. > > The primary audience of this new mailing list would be [educators and] > students in a liberal arts curriculum who are interested in studying > Haskell > for studying functional programming. > >but whether that is a good thing or not, I couldn't say. I was merely >suggesting that thinking in more detail about the charter and possible >users of that list might help you see whether it is likely to serve your >interests, or serve other needs in the community. I had the feeling >that, while most posters were positive about a new list/forum, they >actually had quite different ideas regarding the purpose/target audience >for that list, each assuming that this list would be "their" list. Names >can follow once the purpose is clear. In that case, how about the following, more detailed charter: "Beginner-level discussion about primarily non-research-oriented topics serving the needs of non-computer-science students of Haskell wishing to focus on Haskell as a language for learning programming as part of a well-rounded liberal arts education" Although admittedly rather long-winded, this charter is more detailed, and better elucidates the purpose of the list. > >> The overall reasoning by users against that name was that it was not >> suitable because it confused teaching and learning, without clearly >> separating the two issues. Would you have an argument that I could >> use to refute this theory? > >"There is no teaching, only contexts for learning"?-) The argument >was that lists for those engaged in learning and those engaged in >providing suitable learning contexts should be separate, not that >edu@ couldn't be used as a name for either list (although it might >not be specific enough for (2), and too specific for your new >charter). That's what I thought, too, until I got the following response to the contrary from a reader in private e-mail: > Not sure if another list is a good idea or not, but if it is a good > idea, it should be beginner focused. > > > The only issue is the name of the new list, though: it would seem a > > better idea to keep the name mnemonic and short, with the suffix > > following "Haskell-" within three or four characters. Typing > > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" seems a bit of a hassle; > > "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" seems much better. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? > > haskell-edu just seems to say the wrong thing, for the sole reason > that it's short, which seems like a bad idea. Until I received this message, I was originally interested in [EMAIL PROTECTED], because I felt that "haskell-edu" suggested a discussion forum for both beginner-level students and non-research educators of Haskell, where non-research-related beginner-level questions would be encouraged. However, some other readers felt that this scope would be too broad, insufficiently beginner-focused, potentially educator-focused, and that it could potentially conflict with that of Haskell-Cafe (despite the fact that Haskell-Cafe is de facto a research-oriented discussion forum). So then, after numerous tosses and turns and helpful suggestions, I agreed to the alternative [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have a sufficiently convincing and overriding argument for the original [EMAIL PROTECTED] name, by all means, please let us know! -- Benjamin L. Russell _______________________________________________ Haskell mailing list [email protected] http://www.haskell.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
