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BR Tobias Von: Stef Cy [mailto:[email protected]] Gesendet: Samstag, 21. Oktober 2017 01:00 An: [email protected] Betreff: Re: [HDRI] DSLR for HDR images_sensor size & shutter speed Hi Tobias, thank you for your comments, so from what I understand, the ideal situation would be to get a full-size sensor but also a small one can do... è Right. And I just want to clarify something from what you explained.. The problems when shutter speed is faster than 1/1000s are mainly when using light sources such as LED, or it can also be expected with daylight? è No, not with sunlight. But lot of artificial light source (e.g. fluorescent, high or low pressure natrium sodium lamps of course LED) does have this issue. If so, that suggests that is not that helpful to get a camera that can reach even 1/8000s, or that in order to take advantage of such speed, è On the other hand, if you are not struggling with Modulation effects, you have to consider reproducible speed of mechanical shutter at short exposure time. The speed has direct impact on relation between luminance and generated sensor signal. the use of the ND filter would be really necessary to achieve good results, is that right? è All in all one can summarize that using ND filter has some benefits when used correctly. Thank you again for your help... 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Re: DSLR for HDR images (Tobias Porsch) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 23:11:57 +0000 (UTC) From: Stef Cy <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [HDRI] DSLR for HDR images Message-ID: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Alstan, Thank you for your suggestions, may I ask what would be the implications of using a cropped-sensor camera for glare analysis?I've seen that full frame ones are more more expensive than small sensor ones. I don't remember exactly the thesis or the name of the study,?but I saw that they were using a cropped-sized sensor with special fisheye lenses (I think it was Sigma 4.5mm which its special for this kind of camera). Is that a crucial requirement to use full-frame for accurate glare results? We were actually considering a Canon 80D or Nikon D7100, both have max shutter speed of 1/8000s but small sensor format... I'd really appreciate your comments on this.. St. P.S. Sorry if this msg doesn't get attached to the thread, I got it in the digest, I think I lost the original one-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Steph, A couple of things to look out for from my experience: ? * Try to purchase a camera with a full-frame sensor. This is a ? ? requirement for fisheye lenses used in glare analysis. ? * The range of shutter speeds can make a difference as well for the ? ? measure of very high luminances (1/4000s vs 1/8000s). Beyond those two use cases, any camera with a manual mode that can? adjust the shutter speed quickly will work fine. I recommend to adjust? the shutter speed by hand or computer control rather than to rely on? auto-bracketing. Still, if you want to go the auto-bracketing route, you? may consider a camera that supports a firmware hack like Magic Lantern? which gives better bracketing capacity to cheaper DSLR cameras.? Otherwise you'll end up needing to buy an EOS 5D or something in a? similar price range for a good bracketing functionality. Best, Alstan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://www.radiance-online.org/pipermail/hdri/attachments/20171019/207af8be/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 06:50:00 +0000 From: Tobias Porsch <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> To: Stef Cy <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>, High Dynamic Range Imaging <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [HDRI] DSLR for HDR images Message-ID: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Steph, Just to give a comment on the needed sensor size. In my experience it is also suitable to use a DSLR type coming with an APSC sensor size format. From my experience I can recommend SIGMA DC series fish-eye lens types that are supporting and calculated for this sensor format. Thus they are imaging the whole FOV of 180? circular to such a sensor. Furthermore regarding capturing an HDR I can agree the comment of Alstan that standard DSLR?s AEB functionality does not provide sufficient dynamics for the luminance levels provided by the scenario to be measured. Therefor you may need to perform a manually operated exposure time adjustment for releasing an image series of app. 7-10 images or using tools like Magic Lantern. But there are limitations to the shortest exposure when capturing light sources that are PWM controlled or in any other way modulated light sources (not for daylighting ?). For this case the limits are in the range of 1/250 ? 1/50 sec. On the other hand from my experience most DSLR camera types have problems of decreasing mechanical shutter reproducibility when be faster than 1/1000 sec shutter speed. If you are faced with this problems it can be necessary using ND filter that does reduce DSLR?s sensitivity. In connection using ND filter with fish-eye lens it ii recommended for placing the ND filter in-between lens and camera body. When using ND filter in front of lens you have an angular dependence of ND?s transmission that can over a decades. This is not so huge or negligible when placing the ND behind the lens. Hopefully may comments are useful. BR Tobias Von: Stef Cy [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Oktober 2017 01:12 An: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Betreff: [HDRI] DSLR for HDR images Hi Alstan, Thank you for your suggestions, may I ask what would be the implications of using a cropped-sensor camera for glare analysis? I've seen that full frame ones are more more expensive than small sensor ones. I don't remember exactly the thesis or the name of the study, but I saw that they were using a cropped-sized sensor with special fisheye lenses (I think it was Sigma 4.5mm which its special for this kind of camera). Is that a crucial requirement to use full-frame for accurate glare results? We were actually considering a Canon 80D or Nikon D7100, both have max shutter speed of 1/8000s but small sensor format... I'd really appreciate your comments on this.. St. P.S. Sorry if this msg doesn't get attached to the thread, I got it in the digest, I think I lost the original one -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Steph, A couple of things to look out for from my experience: * Try to purchase a camera with a full-frame sensor. This is a requirement for fisheye lenses used in glare analysis. * The range of shutter speeds can make a difference as well for the measure of very high luminances (1/4000s vs 1/8000s). Beyond those two use cases, any camera with a manual mode that can adjust the shutter speed quickly will work fine. I recommend to adjust the shutter speed by hand or computer control rather than to rely on auto-bracketing. Still, if you want to go the auto-bracketing route, you may consider a camera that supports a firmware hack like Magic Lantern which gives better bracketing capacity to cheaper DSLR cameras. Otherwise you'll end up needing to buy an EOS 5D or something in a similar price range for a good bracketing functionality. Best, Alstan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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