Thank you all very much for you comments. It's been helpful. Bob
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:46 AM, Gottschalk, Haim <h...@loc.gov> wrote: > According to the HCM (June 2014 edition) on page 17 it says “Alcalay is > useful for the identification of sheṿa naḥ (quiescent) and sheṿa na‘ (mobile) > in that he usually does not transcribe the sheṿa naḥ in his vocalization > scheme.” I looked up my deskcopy of Alcalay (1966 edition) and on column > 32 it says “Ehyeh asher ehyeh” following the grammar rules regarding the > sheva. > > > > Haim > > > > *From:* Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+hgot=loc....@lists.osu.edu] *On > Behalf Of *Joan Biella > *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2016 11:37 PM > *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel > *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] ehyeh, right? > > > > Even-Shoshan is the arbiter of these questions. The aim of ALA/LC > romanization schemes is to produce easily verified, standardized > equivalents, not to represent the pronunciation of a contemporary group, no > matter who, no matter how large (or small). Many vocal friends don't like > these facts, but please consider the benefits of, I'll say it again, easily > verified, standardized romanizations for our enormous library community. > > Joan > > P.S. I learned Hebrew in a very unusual way, in connection with obtaining > a degree in (wait for it!) Comparative Semitic Philology. There are quite > a few things about LC romanization that I hate very much and feel are > wrong, wrong, wrong, doing horrible injustice to the "true" Hebrew I > studied in conjunction with its sister Semitic languages. So what? ALA/LC > romanization serves a different purpose and a different community. > > > > On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin <jsh...@pobox.upenn.edu> > wrote: > > I agree with Barry; as in various other cases, we disregard pronunciation > in favor of established vocalization/rules. Users beware… > > > > *From:* Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu] *On Behalf Of *Robert > M. TALBOTT > *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2016 5:23 PM > > > *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel > *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] ehyeh, right? > > > > I think it's time to light the Joan signal. > > > > On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Barry Walfish <barry.walf...@utoronto.ca> > wrote: > > In this case, the native speaker's pronunciation follows the path of least > resistance. It's easier to say eheyeh than ehyeh, so the vowels shift. This > happens in a lot of cases. I don't think there's any question that the > sheva is nah. But I've been surprised before. But for romanization purposes > we should follow the grammar rules, no? > > > Barry Dov Walfish, Ph.D. > Judaica Specialist > University of Toronto Libraries > Toronto, ON M5S 1A5 > Canada > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Heb-naco [heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu] on behalf of Yossi > Galron [jgal...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2016 4:51 PM > *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel > *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] ehyeh, right? > > There is no discussion on the Nikud of the word, but how to pronounce it. > > The question is - is it a שווא נח or a שווא נע.? > > The modern pronunciation is Eheyeh. Native Hebrew speakers would go for > Eheyeh. > > > > שיהיה לכם יום טוב > > > > > > > Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger > E-Mail: galro...@osu.edu or jgal...@gmail.com > Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918 > Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit > > > > On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin <jsh...@pobox.upenn.edu> > wrote: > > Yes, E-Sh. under Hayah, p. 380 on the right has just a sheva, no patah, > with a subentry for Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh (Shemot 3:14, as cited by Barry) (see > attached). > > > > *From:* Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jshino=pobox.upenn.edu@lists. > osu.edu] *On Behalf Of *Yossi Galron > *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2016 4:35 PM > *To:* Robert M. TALBOTT; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel > *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] ehyeh, right? > > > > Check ES under Hayah היה page 380 on the right side of the page. > > > > I also checked Rav milim by Yaakov Choueka (1996) and there there is a > hataf under the He > > (see attached) > > > > > > > Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger > E-Mail: galro...@osu.edu or jgal...@gmail.com > Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918 > Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit > > > > On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Yossi Galron <jgal...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I am for Eheyeh. > > > > Eheyeh asher Eheyeh > > > > Yossi > > > > > > > Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger > E-Mail: galro...@osu.edu or jgal...@gmail.com > Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918 > Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit > > > > On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Robert M. TALBOTT < > rtalb...@library.berkeley.edu> wrote: > > Folks: > > > > alef heh yud heh: my sense of this, which is apparently supported by the > various dictionaries, is that this is romanized as "ehyeh" ; there's a > sheva under the first heh However, there is not consensus on OCLC; about > 20% of the entries I saw had "eheyeh," and many of these are from reliable > institutions. > > > > Ehyeh, right? If I'm wrong, why? > > > > -- > > Bob Talbott > > Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger > > UC Berkeley > > 250 Moffitt > > Berkeley, CA 94720 > > I'm just mad about Saffron > > > > _______________________________________________ > Heb-naco mailing list > Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Heb-naco mailing list > Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Heb-naco mailing list > Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco > > > > > > -- > > Bob Talbott > > Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger > > UC Berkeley > > 250 Moffitt > > Berkeley, CA 94720 > > I'm just mad about Saffron > > > _______________________________________________ > Heb-naco mailing list > Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco > > > > _______________________________________________ > Heb-naco mailing list > Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco > > -- Bob Talbott Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger UC Berkeley 250 Moffitt Berkeley, CA 94720 I'm just mad about Saffron
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