It's not my approach, and I share your concern, but the simple fact of the matter is that many catalogers do pretty much whatever they think is right whether or not that fits in with the rules/instructions, past practice, or common sense, and there's pretty much no way of correcting the situation at the source. Have I told you the tale about the industrious cataloger who in 264/4s was using the @ in lieu of the copyright symbol? Or perhaps you've noticed that some institutions don't really grasp the distinction between 1xx and 7xx entries. There's more, as you well know.
My point is not to shame these institutions or individual catalogers, rather to point out that in a world where people are constantly hammering square pegs into triangular holes, a little bit of variance with regard to what's a sacred text or not seems relatively okay. On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 6:14 PM Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco < heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> wrote: > Yes, Marlene, that’s correct because the Haggadah is a liturgical work not > a sacred work. Per LC’s SHM 1435, the subdivision Commentaries only applies > to sacred works not religious works. > > > > The Written (i.e., Tanakh) and Oral (i.e., Mishnah and Gemara [together, > the Talmud]) Torah would be considered “sacred works” for the purposes of > applying SHM and RDA. The rest, including the Zohar, Midrash, commentaries, > codes, liturgies (incl. Haggadah), etc., are all considered “religious > works” as opposed to “sacred works”. > > > > I caution against Bob’s “do what you feel” approach in cataloging. For > libraries, that would spell chaos and only be a disservice to patrons. > > > > *From:* Heb-naco <heb-naco-boun...@lists.osu.edu> *On Behalf Of *Marlene > Schiffman via Heb-naco > *Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2021 12:00 PM > *To:* Neil Manel Frau-Cortes <nf...@umd.edu>; Hebrew Name Authority > Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - Re: Sacred work > > > > I might be like Haggadah which does not take “Commentaries.” Only bible > and Talmud do. That was my understanding. > > > > Marlene Schiffman > > Metadata and Services Department > > Gottesman Library > > Yeshiva University > > 500 West 185th Street > > New York, N.Y. 10033 > > > > Gottesman Library > > Room 301 > > 646 592 4276 > > > > *From:* Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+schiffma=yu....@lists.osu.edu> *On > Behalf Of *Neil Manel Frau-Cortes via Heb-naco > *Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2021 8:21 AM > *To:* Heidi G Lerner <ler...@stanford.edu>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel < > heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> > *Subject:* [EXT] - Re: [Heb-NACO] Sacred work > > > > ***External Email*** > > I think this is a great question, and probably the fruit of applying an > anglocentric category to a body of literature that doesn't match. We should > consider if anything we call *sifre kodesh* is actually a sacred text in > the spirit of the LC category. > > > > That said, even inside of the sphere of *sifre kodesh*, I think that the > Zohar is major, called *Zohar ha-kadosh, *which is a qualificative we > don't find applied to many other rabbinic works. This brings me to the > question: what else is Sacred Texts in our cannon? Other than the Tanakh, > should we include the Talmud (Mishnah, Tosefta?)? I wouldn't include the > midrash as a number of rishonim, like Duran, consider it to be holy, yet > "not to be taken literally." Yet, the Zohar is midrashic in nature. It's > all a conundrum. If people are interested, perhaps we can talk more about > that in our RAS Cataloging Summer meeting, since the Winter's agenda is > already quite full. > > > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 11:47 PM Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco < > heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I have a question: for purposes of correct application of LC Subject > Heading Manual and RDA, is the Zohar considered a Sacred work. > > > > Thanks , Heidi > > > > Heidi G. 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