I was under the impression that rules didn't go into effect until published.
On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 11:58 AM Shinohara, Jasmin <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear colleagues, I regret that the guidance coming from LC/PCC is not more > popular among you. Nevertheless, our NACO work is bound by LC/PCC policy. > As such, henceforth, please code Hebrew dates that are not substantiated by > Gregorian dates as uncertain in NACO records. > > > > Thanks and kol tuv, Jasmin > > > > *From:* Heb-naco <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Robert > M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco > *Sent:* Friday, April 23, 2021 9:34 AM > *To:* Galron, Joseph <[email protected]>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel < > [email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] 046 Hebrew date coding in NARs > > > > I agree with Yosi. There's no real benefit in ramping up the complexity of > the 046 to cover the possibility that someone was born before sunset. > > > > Bob > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 8:50 PM Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco < > [email protected]> wrote: > > I encountered this issue for my Lexicon as well for entering dates in > Wikidata (and encyclopedic entries in the Hebrew Wikipedia). > > My opinion is that we should put the later date and only in cases we know > the two dates then to prefer the Hebrew date. Our life is complicated > enough. We have a tool to convert Hebrew calendar to the Gregorian calendar > and vis-a-versa > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.hebcal.com/converter__;!!KGKeukY!lrErIXTTljFlfrhzCoeD4WrvbupZejO8xTBPnNI0iLFMZCado2_SLyVSF3AH_qrhAUL3$ > > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.hebcal.com/converter__;!!KGKeukY!g6jo72cqPGAkRZsVt0EeQnhrZu9zS3cFAFARzc0i99f1WheV_NlPXA9gGVhfQlTvnqs5$> > > Is it really critical to know if someone was born in the evening before > sunset or after sunset? (the only case for us will be if someone was > born/died on December 31, 1969 or January 1, 1970 – this changes the > heading in the 100 field). > > I have so many stories I encountered while doing my biographical research > for “my authors” where the Hebrew date is totally different then the > Gregorian date on tombstones, in encyclopedias (Tidhar for example), > Lexicons (Kressel and others). I saw letters by people who wrote that their > Zeide told them they were born on Erev Shabbes of Hanukka, of תר"ע 1910 > (Erev Shabbes of Hanukka was December 1909 and not 1910) > > Remember – we have a backlog of Sforim we need to catalog – not too much > time to spend on the issue if someone was born or died before or after > sunset. > > > > At this opportunity I invite you to view my working document in which I > record the biographical information > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IPXgRBQE689SB8GpXKHjmSIlNP50n7hAJQEHaoVt8U4/edit?usp=sharing__;!!KGKeukY!lrErIXTTljFlfrhzCoeD4WrvbupZejO8xTBPnNI0iLFMZCado2_SLyVSF3AH_jwFdf9B$ > > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IPXgRBQE689SB8GpXKHjmSIlNP50n7hAJQEHaoVt8U4/edit?usp=sharing__;!!KGKeukY!g6jo72cqPGAkRZsVt0EeQnhrZu9zS3cFAFARzc0i99f1WheV_NlPXA9gGVhfQiCVzkPV$> > > > > My two Groschen to the issue > > > > Yossi > > > > > > יוסי גלרון-גולדשלגר > > טלפון נייד 1.614.805.9954 > > Йозеф Галрон Гольдшлегер > > Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger > <https://library.osu.edu/people/galron.1> > Head, Hebraica & Jewish Studies Library > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/clicktime.symantec.com/35nyXVx1aw9CrjvPVzwN5of6H2?u=http*3A*2F*2Fguides.osu.edu*2Fc.php*3Fg*3D337806*26p*3D2274681__;JSUlJSUlJSU!!KGKeukY!kUTYt7T7txseqvv_MbDA40Qc8GOigrxqsE-7Zi5NkfP2ikN57ei5Adhh0Mse6Etz$> > and German Language and Literature Librarian > 305 G Thompson Memorial Library > The Ohio State University Libraries > 1858 Neil Ave. Mall > Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA > Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918 > Mobile: (614) 805-9954 > E-Mail: [email protected] or [email protected] > > *Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature*: > http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/clicktime.symantec.com/3QFzqKM4bhoMEbRUtvt5Cwi6H2?u=http*3A*2F*2Fgo.osu.edu*2Fhebrewlit__;JSUlJQ!!KGKeukY!kUTYt7T7txseqvv_MbDA40Qc8GOigrxqsE-7Zi5NkfP2ikN57ei5Adhh0GlG_VHC$> > > > *Union List of Digitized Jewish Historic Newspapers and Periodicals* > http://go.osu.edu/jpress > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/clicktime.symantec.com/3T7oGBhra4qxPxXMeh5okCG6H2?u=http*3A*2F*2Fgo.osu.edu*2Fjpress__;JSUlJQ!!KGKeukY!kUTYt7T7txseqvv_MbDA40Qc8GOigrxqsE-7Zi5NkfP2ikN57ei5Adhh0OJa_eeX$> > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Heb-naco *On Behalf Of *Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco > *Sent:* Thursday, April 22, 2021 5:32 PM > *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [Heb-NACO] 046 Hebrew date coding in NARs > > > > Hi, folks, I hope this email finds you all well. > > > > I recently had the opportunity to get some guidance on how to code dates > in the authority 046 when the date/s available is/are only using the Hebrew > calendar. This was my question: > > > > “Hebrew dates span two calendar days and, as such, two Gregorian dates. > Till now, the majority of catalogers have made an assumption that the > Hebrew date is the latter of the two Gregorian dates and only coded that > date in the 046 (indicating certainty). The question is, is such practice > ok/correct? Or should catalogers be erring on the side of caution and > coding the 046 date as uncertain, e.g. [2012-07-31, 2012-08-01], unless a > Gregorian date is also given to confirm the date? I don’t recall seeing any > guidance on this subject. Can you please advise?” > > > > This was the response from LC: > > > > “What an interesting question about EDTF, especially since it was a topic > here at LC a couple of weeks ago (not about Hebrew dates, but about what > catalogers are supposed to do in the 046 field in general). I would err > on the side of caution and give both dates in the 046 field when the > Gregorian date is not known. Come to think of it, maybe I will add > something about this to the DCM Z1 046 update that I am working on as a > result of that meeting we had here a couple of weeks ago. That will > document it.” (highlight added) > > > > Please let me know if you have any questions. > > > > Best wishes, Jasmin > > > > --- > > Jasmin Shinohara > > Hebraica Cataloging Librarian > > University of Pennsylvania > > 551.1 Van Pelt-Dietrich Library Center > > 3420 Walnut Street > > Philadelphia, PA 19104-6206 > > T. 215-746-6397 > > [email protected] > > > > _______________________________________________ > Heb-naco mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco > > > > -- > > Bob Talbott > > Hebraica cataloger/Curatorial Assistant to the Judaica Collection > > UC Berkeley > > 250 Moffitt > > Berkeley, CA 94720 > > > > Lue musaraba shu biburueada Bilgameshe nam habadabkure. > -- Bob Talbott Hebraica cataloger/Curatorial Assistant to the Judaica Collection UC Berkeley 250 Moffitt Berkeley, CA 94720 Lue musaraba shu biburueada Bilgameshe nam habadabkure.
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