Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > David Kastrup wrote: > >> Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> David Kastrup wrote: >>> >>>> And that's because the ergonomics of almost all toolkit scrollbars >>>> suck. >>>> >>>> To change the direction of moving, I have to move the >>>> mouse. I can't control the size of the move except by dragging >>>> (a recipe for RSI). When scrolling in one direction repeatedly, >>>> the moment the scroll "thumbmark" gyrates under the mouse cursor, >>>> it stops working. >>> >>> Mouse wheels are a great invention. Instead of mouse1/mouse2 to >>> scroll, you use scroll_up/scroll_down, nothing is more intuitive >>> than that. And at least with QT, you can use that on a horizontal >>> scrollbar, too, if you place the mouse cursor over it. Some mice >>> offer a real button instead of the wheel (I like this even >>> better). >>> >>> And since this is about a text editor: PgUp/PgDown exist ;) >> >> All those are arguments for not using the scrollbar at all. While >> you can turn it off with Emacs easily, it is somewhat pointless to >> discuss what scrollbar type is the best when not used. > > I only see it as indication of where I am in the whole page. Your > points (using mouse1/mouse2 to scroll down/up) do not really use the > scroll bar, either.
Uh, pardon? First, it is mouse-1 and mouse-3. And secondly, I don't know how clicking on the scrollbar to achieve a scrolling effect is not really using it. > To use the scroll _bar_ itself, you actually have to drag it. It would appear that you are confusing the scrollbar tack/thumb with the scrollbar itself. Athena-style scrollbars don't even _have_ a tack. > The only other good use would the it jumps to point where you click > (but did not find one that does this, yet). That is the mouse-2 action of Athena-style scrollbars (and the no-toolkit scrollbars of Emacs _are_ Athena-style). -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum _______________________________________________ Help-gnu-emacs mailing list Help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs
