implementing support for GTK4 is clearly something that should be on the
road-map; but i agree that GTK support should not be a deciding factor for the
project's future - GTK is non-essential - it is the equivalent of the optional
GTK bindings for other languages (python, ruby, etc) - no one would suggest
retiring python or ruby if only because the GTK or QT bindings were no longer
supported

also arch and other distros still support GTK2 - the debian event is more of
a wake-up call than a crisis - the arch maintainer disabled GTK last year; but
IIRC that was only because the gst-browser program was not working properly
- gst-browser was broken in debian for many years before that; because debian
still builds the stable release (3.2), where arch builds the "alpha" release
(3.2.91) - since then, arch also dropped the package a few months ago (moved it
to the AUR)

i think the highest priority would be to repair or drop anything that is broken
in 3.2.91 as it is now (eg: the gst-browser, the blox browser, etc), even if
that means yanking GTK entirely; and make a release of what remains - then work
toward restoring what was removed with GTK4 equivalents for a future release

if some momentum can be started here, i will begin by filing a RTS (Request To
Salvage) the debian package - the AUR package also needs a maintainer, so i
could do that also

i do like this project and would like to see it continue, so i will do what i
can with the code-base, at least to review and test changes - i have very little
free time though - i am registered on savannah and fencepost; so i could do
some admin tasks from time to time

i think the primary factor for the future though, is how much attention you
(Holger) can give - as the sole maintainer, it is mostly your decision whether
gnu-smalltalk continues or not - this message is mostly repeating what i have
been suggesting for years


On Sun, 14 Nov 2021 14:18:51 +0800 Holger wrote:
> Indeed. We should promote 3.2.91 to 3.3.0 and cope with VisualGST being 
> slightly broken (it's based on GTK+ 2.0 anyway). Let me aim to do this before 
> the end of the year.

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