Awesome work. Thanks for the info. On Aug 5, 2014 9:50 AM, "Frank Heasley" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I also tested 3m strapping tape and 11mm heavy duty duct tape. > > The duct tape was pretty good. Started to soften around 125oF. > > However, the strapping tape was superior. It didn't soften at all, > remained strongly bonded up to 130oF. > > Note: these tests were very sloppy. I used 1/2" polyurethane insulation, > and applied the tapes to the foil side. A more accurate test would be to > attach weights to the tape, and then heat the bond while monitoring > temperature until it slides off. As I've decided not to build a yurt > myself, I'll leave this for someone else who may be more interested. > > I didn't test any solvent based adhesives. > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Hunter <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Did you happen to get the melting point for red dap contact cement? >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Frank Heasley <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I just did a quick test on the HK velcro using a heat gun and infrared >>> surface temp meter. At 100oF, the adhesive melts. >>> >>> Note, however, that they also sell the same material without the >>> adhesive backing, which would allow you to use a different kind of glue. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Hunter <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> We used contact cement to connect the vinyl to the Velcro. I second >>>> using bidi tape for the permanent joints. >>>> On Aug 5, 2014 8:49 AM, "Joshua Slocum" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yeah, there are several places on the internet that sell adhesive >>>>> backed velcro. However from what I can tell, most of them don't fare so >>>>> well against heat, so I'd be concerned about them coming off in a strong >>>>> wind or during takedown. >>>>> >>>>> I'm still trying to figure out a mechanical solution. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Frank Heasley <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You can get velcro that has a strong adhesive backing in 75mm wide >>>>>> strips, from www.hobbyking.com (US Warehouse). It's only $2.74 per >>>>>> meter. It is very strong, and grabs really well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Their US warehouse ships via USPS, and rather quickly. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:05 AM, Joshua Slocum <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Some pics from our build-session on Sunday: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7krB_7bUPTNMmo4UUxrZ0I4REE&usp=sharing >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All the gluing is quite a bit of work, and velcro is expensive. As >>>>>>> I've been building I've been thinking about how to make the whole >>>>>>> process >>>>>>> easier and cheaper if anyone else decides to make one. >>>>>>> - for velcro seams, use 4" wide velcro strips rather than sewing >>>>>>> velcro to fabric - eliminates sewing time; costs slightly less. >>>>>>> - use bi-filament tape for non-detachable seams. Just be sure to >>>>>>> foil tape any exposed bf tape. Should cost a bit less, and be a bit >>>>>>> quicker >>>>>>> than making seams with glue and fabric. >>>>>>> - I also think using 8' of velcro on either side of the seam for >>>>>>> anchors may have been overkill. If I were to make another one of these, >>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>> probably use just half that amount. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Joshua Slocum <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We just had our first gluing session on wednesday. This sunday >>>>>>>> we're hoping to do the lion's share of the gluing. I'll be sure to take >>>>>>>> some pictures. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sewing is nearly complete - only the anchors still need to be done. >>>>>>>> They are long strips of cordura with velcro sewn on - one end >>>>>>>> terminates in >>>>>>>> a webbing loop where tow straps can pass through and attach to playa >>>>>>>> staples. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Austin Desautels < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Josh, I'm attempting the very same thing, though I can't begin >>>>>>>>> construction for another two weeks - would be great to hear/see how >>>>>>>>> it goes >>>>>>>>> for you! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -a >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, July 16, 2014 7:30:38 PM UTC+2, Joshua Slocum wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You've inspired me to build my own cordura/velcro yurt (H12). I'm >>>>>>>>>> attempting to make it 100% reusable: no bi-filament tape. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My plan is to make a semi-folding yurt, with hinges made out of >>>>>>>>>> cordura and barge glue. >>>>>>>>>> The seams on the dome and walls will be done with cordura + >>>>>>>>>> velcro, similar to Alexander's design. >>>>>>>>>> The tarp will be attached to the walls with velcro on the inside, >>>>>>>>>> to keep dust and water out. >>>>>>>>>> Tie-down straps will be made with cordura strips that attach to >>>>>>>>>> the dome with velcro; the ends will have a sewn loop reinforced with >>>>>>>>>> nylon >>>>>>>>>> webbing for standard tow-straps and playa staples to stake it down. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'll try to post build pics/updates as I'm going along, in case >>>>>>>>>> anyone is interested or wants to replicate it later. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Josh >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 7, 2014 10:25:32 AM UTC-5, Alexander Griffin >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 6, 2014 7:21:11 PM UTC-5, Robert Atkins wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 8:58:05 PM UTC+1, Alexander >>>>>>>>>>>> Griffin wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> > Here's pictures of WolfYurt 2.0 -- my H12 standard hexayurt >>>>>>>>>>>> made with velcro and cordura >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The way the roof cone "flaps" attach to the wall sections, >>>>>>>>>>>> aren't you losing the structural integrity granted by having an >>>>>>>>>>>> unbroken >>>>>>>>>>>> tension band going around the top of the walls? I thought this was >>>>>>>>>>>> important. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't see why there needs to be a tension band at the top of >>>>>>>>>>> the walls ("eaves"). The walls are held together firmly in a >>>>>>>>>>> circle by a >>>>>>>>>>> combination of hinges and velcro seals. It is not going to expand >>>>>>>>>>> apart on >>>>>>>>>>> its own any more than a fully taped yurt. The roof cone itself is >>>>>>>>>>> held >>>>>>>>>>> together with the same tension points as any traditional taped >>>>>>>>>>> yurt. Can >>>>>>>>>>> you explain to me why you think a constant ring of unbroken tape is >>>>>>>>>>> needed >>>>>>>>>>> to keep a yurt erect? I'm not saying you're wrong, I just don't >>>>>>>>>>> see why >>>>>>>>>>> from an intuitive perspective or in practice. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You could get this back by sticking your Velcro hook tape >>>>>>>>>>>> around the top of the wall panels and the bottom of the roof >>>>>>>>>>>> panels, then >>>>>>>>>>>> having the loops sewn to one long ribbon of cordura that went all >>>>>>>>>>>> the way >>>>>>>>>>>> around (and then stuck to itself at the end/start with another >>>>>>>>>>>> little patch >>>>>>>>>>>> of hook and loop on the outside.) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't ever want velcro seals at the bottom of the roof cone. >>>>>>>>>>> If water runs down the roof it will get under the velcro seal and >>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>> into the yurt. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Also, your roof folds into six separate "chunks"? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> No, two separate sections. Each section is made of six >>>>>>>>>>> triangles, which include a combination of standard and bifolded >>>>>>>>>>> beveled >>>>>>>>>>> hinges using BiDi tape. 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