Very interesting Nathan!

In theory, it's a bit like the finger going 'round the wine glass, or the glass harmonica, except some of the roles in that are switched, especially the idea that the rotating, part is not the vibrating part (normal for a HG) but rather its actuator. In theory it could work, but you have a problem if the wheel is completely perpendicular: it will contact the string in two locations, one at each outer rim "track" (as you described it) on the diameter of the wheel. A way to solve this, though, would be to offset the wheel's axle at a slight axle down towards the tail of the instrument, and make the track bevelled to match the offset angle and hence parallel with the string. THen, it would be possible to just have the string contacted at one point. Also, shimming and pressure adjustments could then easily be achieved with a sliding track that goes forward and back along the length of the axis of the crankshaft, and can be locked in place (like with set screws or something, a type of trim control).

All of this works only if the instrument in question is intended to play only one string at a time as chanterelle, otherwise you'd have a problem, which you could solve (also in theory) by having a series of gears or belts that allow for multiple wheels, one for each string), however this brings us back to the very issue you were, I think, intending to address. Bur for a kind of gurdy-rebab (is that gurdybab? or would that be edible, like a skewered, droning dish?) it should work fine.

interesting concept, Nathan!--Great to keep the old grey matter functioning, and fun to think about our dearly beloved in new ways and incarnations.

cheers,
Vlad



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On Jan 03 2008, at 18:18, Nathan Roy wrote:

Okay, this is going to be an impetuously written message. I hope I don't make a fool of myself, but running across this concept has got me excited. My main hobby is sitting around theorizing about different experimental musical instruments, or innovative variations on existing forms. Most of them are probably pointless and naive, since I am neither a fine craftsman, nor an accomplished player in need of daring new challenges. Anyway... please bear with me while I attempt to describe my latest flight of fancy.

The recent thread on the ninera got me thinking about how to use a fingerboard on a HG without messing up the tangential contact between string and wheel rim. Then I checked out the French site with the "vielloncelle", and that reminded me of Lark in the Morning's "bassgurdy", which is also a keyless, vertical wheel- bowed instrument. Now, both of these instruments appear to use gears to two separate the crank and wheel shafts at a ninety degree angle. Of course, this allows such an instrument to be held upright like a 'cello, cranked in the ordinary fashion, and bowed perpendicular to the strings. The drawback to this is that the gears would have to be machined very precisely to allow for sensitive cranking techniques, like tremolo or coups de poignet.

Okay, so here's my modification of this: Imagine a long instrument with a single string, and a crank set in the side as in the vertical HG-like objects I just mentioned. However, the wheel bow is mounted directly on this one shaft, so that it rotates parallel to the string, rather than across it as expected. The obvious problem is that this bow cannot contact the string from below, against its circular rim, since that would be a dreadfully inefficient way to impart perpendicular vibration. Instead, the string runs beside it, down at a level toward the axle so as to approach forming a diameter. The bow then makes contact from the side, bowing upward against a raised track running along the outer edge of its flat surface.

In theory, this bow orientation should work, since friction is still being applied at right angles to the string's long axis. But why would anyone want such a setup, since the historical HG design with a horizontal keyboard works as well or better than a vertical orientation. My serendipitous conclusion is that this would allow a fingerboard to be used without upsetting string pressure against the bow! Since this pressure is applied from the side, and adjusted by horizontal shims, bending the string downward should have little effect!

Okay, I know the situation is much more complicated than this. The string would have to meet its bridge and be deflected toward the tail-piece before passing the wheel's opposite edge, or it would be bowed a second time, downward. Only two chanters could be bowed by a single disk (one to each side), and additional strings would require a series of parallel wheels mounted on the same axle. Drones could be stacked on top of each other, but this brings the bow direction out or perpendicular and requires more complex bridges. One benefit is that the vertical string vibration should propagate efficiently into the soundboard, like a piano, making the high violin-type bridge with its rocking impedance transfer unnecessary.

Hopefully, some of you with more experience in practical matters of lutherie or acoustics can point out any obvious oversights I may have committed here. If the basic theory is sound, I think it would be great to do some experiments with the idea! I only wish my own skills were up to the job. (Otherwise I would have jealously guarded my supposed stroke of genius, although I assume there are no fortunes to be made in claiming such an innovation.) Anyway, sorry for my habitually long emails. Tell me what you think, and thanks for humoring me!

Nathan Roy



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