I also forgot, the plucked gusli is related to the finnish/estonian/
latvian kannele, kannel & altri varii.
hic finiscet sermo...
ciao & thanks again,
vlad
Wolodymyr Smishkewych
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On Jan 05 2008, at 12:30, Wolodymyr Smishkewych wrote:
Thank you Michael and Ernic (and Arle off-list),
Actually, gusli is accurate for both plucked and bowed string
instruments depending on where it is being used. The old Slavonic
word "gosl" refers to string, and so gusli refers to a plucked
zither/lyre-like instrument in Russia, Ukraine and other northern
locations. More to the south--namely, Bulgaria, Crete, the former
Yugoslavia--the name gusli, guslice etc refers to the bowed
variant. I am here referring to the Northern, plucked version,
which is what I have. This is the second of Roland's instruments I
have owned, and the first was larger and steel-strung. Therefore,
the tension was rather high. In the end, right after I wrote that
message last night, I went to the germanic lyre I built back in
2004, and calculated the tension on that instrument. I found that
it was on average at 4.16kg--more than a harp but lighter than a HG
(I somehow figured a HG was on average not so much tension, but
you're right, Ernic--the HG has heavier tension, it is a bit
stockier.) So, I have already ordered my strings; many thanks to
all, and as Ernic has opinted out, this is the HG lsit and not the
lyre list (though it does discuss "liras"---tee hee!), so I'll
close the thread now with many thanks to all.
Two curiosities before eI sign it off though--does anyone know of
anywhere the HG referred to as a variant of the name "gusli"? And
does anyone know the actual average tension on a HG? 6 or more like
8kg, as Ernic suggests?)
cheers,
Vlad
Wolodymyr Smishkewych
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On Jan 05 2008, at 11:47, Michael Muskett wrote:
It may be that some people are giving he name gusli to a plucked
instrument, but it is the standard name (gusla, gusle) for a bowed
string instrument, shaped like half a pear, and one string played
with a bow, used in mediaeval times ( 3-4 strings) and still
played in Bulgaria, Yugoslavia and Crete. ( And see Marcuse.
Musical Instruments
Michael
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Subject: Re: [HG] string tension help
A gusli is a plucked instrument, so it is not to be compared with
a hurdy gurdy: it may have a much lower string tension, say about
3 kg instead of 6 to 8 kg.
Nylgut will work fine, I suppose: it works fine on many early
plucked instruments. A short time ago I heard Sequentia (in this
case Benjamin Bagby + another fine player/singer) play two
reconstructions of a medieval lyre with nylgut, with a fine sound.
You might try to contact Sequentia directly or go to the early
music list ( [EMAIL PROTECTED]). The hg is not a list to
discuss other instruments.
I have tried nylgut on my hurdy gurdies, it works, but I prefer gut.
By the way, nylgut has a somewhat lower density as gut.
Good luck.
Ernic
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2008/1/5, Wolodymyr Smishkewych < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Cali and Alden, and anyone else:
I am trying to calculate strings I need for an instrument (not a
HG), and am at a loss. Just for comparison's sake, what is the
string tension and usual vibrating length on a HG that you folks
make, and what string gauges of gut would you use for stringing
chanterelles, if the customer so desired? I think the instrument I
have would withstand about the same tension as a HG, so it would
certainly help me figure it out. I am using Arto's string
calculator for my calculations ( http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/
mus/Calcs/wwwscalc.html ) but if anyone has any other suggestions
they'd be very welcome.
The instrument I am stringing up, by the way, can be viewed at:
http://www.rolandinstrument.com/ind/index.php?page=8&lang=2
I'll be using Nylgut, which has similar density to regular gut,
but is very reliable. Anyone tried it for HGs yet?
Thanks so much!
Vlad
Wolodymyr Smishkewych
wolodymyrsmishkewych.com
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