Hello,

I don't exactly know how bulk operations work, and I didn't know that there's a 
temporary table with the affected ids available.
But if so, then yes, such an event would solve the problem, in the way Steve 
described. (And I got asked about bulk operations quite a lot of times, always 
answered that it isn't possible :) ). I think that both Envers and Search would 
need the ids affected + the entity type + the type of the operation (delete, 
insert, update).

If it's possible, it would be great to have that :)

Adam

On Nov 24, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Steve Ebersole wrote:

> How about a new event right at the moment after we have just collected
> all the ids into the temp table?  
> 
> For envers, this would allow you to save off the current state prior to
> the update/delete.
> 
> For search, this would allow you to "circle back" after the operation
> and re-index those matching ids.
> 
> wdyt?
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2009-11-24 at 08:20 +0100, Adam Warski wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>>> a user on forums is posting about an HQL like
>>> "delete from product where id = 4"
>>> which - in case of Hibernate Search - is not going to remove the
>>> relevant document from the index.
>>> 
>>> Another interesting case would be
>>> "delete from product"
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts about this? Should we always use API when making changes?
>>> (https://forum.hibernate.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1001076)
>> 
>> In general listeners for any bulk operations aren't fired (in case of a bulk 
>> update the indexes won't be updated either). This is a problem also in 
>> Envers - where doing bulk operations doesn't cause any historical data to be 
>> written in the audit tables. What I normally advise users on the forum is to:
>> 1) run a hql which updates the historical tables (bascially inserting new 
>> rows for each id affected by the hql to be executed)
>> 2) run the original hql
>> 
>> For HSearch, I guess a solution would be to provide an API to tell HSearch 
>> that some range of ids of some entity changed. So the user would:
>> 1) get the ids affected by the query (this usually means replacing 
>> delete/update by select)
>> 2) run the original hql
>> 3) pass the ids to hsearch so that it could update the indexes
>> 
>> However, I'm not sure if there would be much performance gain comparing 
>> using a bulk operation to a for-loop with entityManager.delete in that case 
>> (HSearch would have to handle each entity separately anyway; maybe not in 
>> case of a delete, but certainly in case of an update).
>> 
> -- 
> Steve Ebersole <st...@hibernate.org>
> Hibernate.org
> 


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