Hi Gail,
does this impact as well the "extra-lazy" collections?
I definitely had great use cases for them in the past.

On 21 October 2013 19:22, Gail Badner <gbad...@redhat.com> wrote:
> Are there real-world use cases where an initialized many-to-many collection 
> should contain elements that are uninitialized proxies (HibernateProxy), 
> rather than entity instances?
>
> Currently, it is possible to configure this behavior using either:
>
> <many-to-many ... fetch="select"/>
> <many-to-many ... outer-join="false"/>
>
> We are considering removing this capability if there are no real-world use 
> cases.
>
> Fetch profiles do not provide this level of granularity. The fetch style for 
> the collection itself, but not its elements, can be configured using a fetch 
> profile.
>
> As far as I know, JPA does not provide this level of granularity either.
>
> Please let us know if you are using this functionality.
>
> Thanks,
> Gail
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