On 26 September 2017 at 15:36, Emmanuel Bernard <emman...@hibernate.org> wrote: > All I wanted initially was to be able to get a description of what each > series provided so that when I jump from my version to the latest, I can > see what's going on. Then you guys wanted to expose the matrix of > compatibilities as e.g. people do consume Search with a given version of > ORM. > > With that being said, here is what I think are the series with value to > users today: > > * Search: 5.8 (latest), 5.6 (ORM 5.0/5.1), maybe whatever the version in > WF is > * Validator: 6.0 (latest), maybe whatever the version in WF is > * OGM: 5.2 (dev), 5.1 (stable) > * ORM: 5.2, 5.1, maybe the WF version if it's not 5.1 > > As a user, I still need to be able to go to a given series page to > understand what was done (see my initial use case). But they can be in a > older series section in small vs big boxes.
+1 that's my preference Nothing to change right now, but we'll need to evolve a bit when we'll want to prune the series being shown in the main area right now. It starts to get crowded and WF having 5.5 (rather old) I want people to be able to find details about it yet not "push" the version. Say we want to prune 5.7 - not being in your above list - people will still want to be able to find it when upgrading from 5.6 -> 5.8 Thanks, Sanne > > BTW tools has a Downloads link, not Releases. > > Emmanuel > > > On Fri 17-09-22 17:03, Yoann Rodiere wrote: >> >> Ok, this will never end... It was good to merge less than 24h ago and now >> you're arguing against the very point of this work: provide users with >> more >> information regarding each series, so that they know what's new. (see the >> first email by Emmanuel) >> >> Please make concrete, exhaustive proposals. From what I understand, your >> concerns could be addressed with only simple changes to the menu (hide >> older series, add an "archived series" entry), but I don't know what to >> think anymore. >> >> >> Yoann Rodière >> Hibernate NoORM Team >> yo...@hibernate.org >> >> On 22 September 2017 at 16:49, Sanne Grinovero <sa...@hibernate.org> >> wrote: >> >>> After some chats and a night of sleep on this, I think we need to stop >>> obsessing about guiding people into the choice among multiple minor >>> versions: it's hard enough that they have to pick a project. >>> >>> We need to encourage people to use the latest versions and we need to >>> send a clear, strong message about this, no middle ground fiddling >>> with names and definitions >>> >>> We can give them a choice between using the latest stable vs the >>> latest development, but beyond this we're giving too much choice. >>> >>> Yet I do believe we should make it "not-hard" for people looking for >>> details of other recent versions; could we consider them all >>> "archived" ? Some drop downs on key areas like the ones in ORM today >>> would still be welcome to make it easy to find - but let's remove the >>> version choice from the "primary navigation path". >>> >>> There are some exceptional cases coming to mind which would need some >>> mitigation; for example the fact that OGM won't work with the latest >>> Search and ORM releases! >>> But there are better solutions than to pollute the website experience >>> by making the matching versions too visible, for example bundle it >>> with OGM, link to the right versions from the OGM pages, or have the >>> modules eventually pull-in the required dependencies, etc... >>> (technical details irrelevant in this context). >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Sanne >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22 September 2017 at 12:21, Guillaume Smet <guillaume.s...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Sanne Grinovero <sa...@hibernate.org> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> *IF* you are willing to improve a minor point: I didn't expect the >>> >> "Releases" menu to be expanded when not being in any of these >>> >> sections. >>> > >>> > >>> > Let's keep that one for another time. >>> > >>> >> >>> >> Related: I wouldn't highlight both the current release and the >>> >> "Releases" label, the shading looks odd and misaligned. >>> > >>> > >>> > Yoann fixed it. >>> > >>> > Could we push that version to production and iterate after if required? >>> > >>> > It's a tad better than what we have now and I don't see a reason to >>> delay it >>> > more. >>> > >>> > Emmanuel? >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Guillaume >>> > >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> hibernate-dev mailing list >> hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev _______________________________________________ hibernate-dev mailing list hibernate-dev@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/hibernate-dev