Mike, the impression I'm getting among our users is that people are really
keen on the Spring Fwk, for showing how things _fit_together_. It gives
them a starting point for
"ok, how do I use all this cool POJO stuff to build an actual
_application_"
Now, from what I understand, I think the Spring seems great. But I also
think OS stuff is fantastic and it would be great to have a kind of
"reference architecture" for people to *start* with, before they start mix
and matching "bits" from different places (say, WW2 + Spring IoC).
Some of the hardest questions I get are "ok, so how do I use Hibernate in a
session bean" .... "ummm ... well .... it depends .... how do you _want_ to
use it?"
heh
peas...
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Joseph - where is the code? No code, no idea - sorry.
Jason - sounds like an interesting idea, but could we focus on getting WW2
/
XW finished and released first? :)
Also the goals of the framework (?) sound too broad. It looks like a
collection of Open Source tools to me, albeit a good one - indeed these are
the basis of Atlassian apps. But I'm not sure what you would do, besides
build an app showing how these can be used together? Or did I get the wrong
end of the stick?
More thought needed I think.
M
On 14/8/03 1:56 AM, "Joseph Ottinger" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) penned the
words:
> Jason, Snowwolf Wagner and I suggested something very much like this two
> years ago. Its time may have come, but it's certainly not a new idea.
>
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2003, Jason Carreira wrote:
>
>> I'd like to create an opensource web application framework built on the
>> pieces we have and some outside libraries. Essentially I'm looking at
>> something like Expresso but built with better components and free :-)
>>
>> I'm thinking it could consist of:
>>
>> Xwork
>> WebWork2
>> OSUser
>> Hibernate
>> SiteMesh
>> OSCache
>> (Xwork IoC|Bebop|Picocontainer|Spring)
>> Atlassian's security stuff
>>
>> All of these would be put together and configured for out-of-the-box
>> development with the templates, decorators, config files, etc. all set
>> up. It would have a build file in place and ready to go, so all you have
>> to do is start dropping your classes and HTML/JSP/VM files in and go.
>>
>> If you're interested, I'd love to get feedback and I'm soliciting offers
>> of people's time and code to help set this up. Especially the JLCP guys,
>> who I know have set up some infrastructure for WW2 and Hibernate, so
>> that would be very helpful.
>>
>> I think this would go a long way to addressing people's concerns about
>> ease of use (how much easier can it get without a GUI to hold your hand
>> and eventually strangle you :-)?)
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> --
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>> Technical Architect, Notiva Corp.
>> phone: 585.240.2793
>> fax: 585.272.8118
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