Excellent, objective response. Exactly what I was hoping for. Thanks very much,
Les Quoting Eric Pugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > As a sometimes Maven developer, and long time user these are some of the > issues that often rub people the wrong way: > > 1) Maven didn't do enough beta's on the march to 1.0, heck we are still at > RC1. This has meant that a lot of people have shot a lot of time wrestling > with Maven getting it to work. Beta 8 was a pretty brutal time for Maven > users :-). And, depending on the parts of Maven you are using, there are > still many rough spots in it like the memory leak that prevents huge > multi-project setups from building the documentation nicely. Also, some of > the reports don't work real well with Subversion, things like that. The > farther you stray from "I want to run some unit tests, build a jar and some > javadocs" the more problems you get. Having said that, it is getting > better, and Ant pre 1.0 apparently had the same growing pains. A lot of > people got burned using Maven during the early versions. And depending on > your tolerance for pain, it may still be too early. > > 2) You gotta do it the Maven way. For better or worse, Maven is an attempt > to standardize build practices. If you don't agree with the build practice > then Ant is a much better fit. Ant lets you setup the structure however you > like. Maven wants a standard structure. Maven *likes* docs in xdoc format > for example. Maven wants you to put everything in project.xml. Maven wants > a src/java and a src/test directories. The more you customize, the more you > find yourself swimming upstream. Over time Maven will have better > integration for different formats for docs etc, but right now it is really > easier to just go with what it does. > > 3) The look and feel strikes some as kinda brutal.. although that is > getting better. The new default l&f being prototype at > http://maven.apache.org is much nicer, and for another example of good > customization check out http://opensource.atlassian.com/seraph/. > > Google for "Maven Sucks" > (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=maven+s > ucks) and "Maven Rocks" > (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=maven+r > ocks) you can get lots more opinions. > > I definitly don't agitate for Maven when a project's build already works > well. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. However, if your build is broken, > or you are starting on a new project, then Maven is worth a look. The > Hibernate project has a very effective build, and the site docs are all very > well put together. Of course, it would be nice maybe to see > JCoverage/Clover, StatCVS, PMD, Simian, FindBugs, Junit etc reports added > :-) > > Eric Pugh > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf > > Of Les A. > > Hazlewood > > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 2:29 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Hibernate] Versioning Jar Files? > > > > > > Quoting Christian Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > I'll do it. We don't need any Maven praising here... > > > > Folks, > > > > Whats wrong with Maven? > > > > Seriously, I'm not trying to start a flame war or promote > > dissention from > > within, but what are your gripes? I'm trying to get a valued > > opinion before > > possibly incorporating it into my own projects... > > > > In the (brief) evaluation I've done of the product, I've > > found it to be > > incredibly powerful, relieving the drudgery of ant tasks that > > so many projects > > must execute (especially open-source ones). The automagic > > jar file dependency > > checking/downloading alone seems worth it, given all the > > problems teams and > > end-users face with dealing with dependencies (which is > > directly related to > > this thread). As a computer scientist, it is almost infused > > in my psyche to > > avoid re-inventing the wheel for commonly executed tasks. > > Maven does this (or > > at least comes closer than anything I've seen for PCM). > > > > What are your thoughts? I'm trying to get an intelligent > > response here...not > > Christian's typical condescending "Maven is the spawn of > > Satan" response :) > > > > Regards, > > > > Les Hazlewood > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials. > > Become an expert in LINUX or just sharpen your skills. Sign > > up for IBM's > > Free Linux Tutorials. 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