I still don't if it worth it by I've decided to answer this mail. Two parts,
first: I've started using Hibernate on my project because of lots of performance issues doing straight JDBC and also loads of bugs. So we really needed an O/R mapping tool since there was way to many classes in our domain model (project is more than 10 thousands classes). At this time I tried OJB, JDO and Hibernate if I remember correctly. With Hibernate I was able to have a running example in 10 minutes (literally). It's the example bundled with the release. Then we started experiencing (I think 4 senior developers) to see if it was flexible enough to be used and if it has the required features. I think this took us 2 weeks to have a framework. Part of it are homemade tricks, part of it are tricks we found on the hibernate wiki. Reading the documentation needed to do a normal mapping takes about 1 hour. So... Seriously, I can't understand why you are complaining about not finding any quick start to use hibernate. Hibernate is probably the most documented and easy to use O/R mapping tool... Try Top Link just for fun you'll see what I mean. second: I've been subscribing to this list for almost two years now I think. Hibernate developers were always nice to me even when I was some kind of rude. They take lots of time everyday to answer questions asked on the forum, which forum works really well by the way (there's an efficient finder, you know what kind of person is answering you and you get notifications, that's all I need). And since I've subscribed, you are the first person ever to be kicked out and I'll say I was pretty happy to see it happened since the discussion wasn't really constructive. I'll tell you one thing. Disagreeing with you is not being rude. Not answering is rude. If you were developping hibernate you could offer support the way you want. They decided to use a forum, you can argue it's a bad choice, they will listen but at last, it's them to decide if they want to keep on with it. Not everybody on the internet should do what you say right away or otherwise being rude. Internet communication is based on discussion, not despotism or I missed the part where you were crowned "Great Emperor of the Internet". One last thing, I don't know what happened between you and JBoss but hibernate was there before they all started working for JBoss. And usually, starting to work for a company doesn't instantly make you evil.... as far as JBoss can be considered evil... Just for you to know, I'm an outsider here. I'm not working for JBoss and I don't know personnally any hibernate guys. I'm just using their product. Regards and merry Christmas to you all, Henri On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 03:52:03 +0200, Ilias Lazaridis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Christian Bauer wrote: > > Ilias Lazaridis wrote: > > > >> sorry, cannot find a quick-start-guide. > >> > >> [btw: your message appears outside of the thread] > > > > OK, this is enough. Please don't feed the troll. > > Which statement exactly of the above two has caused you to write this > ungentle comment? > > You confirm my statement that you are rude. > > > This "Illiad" is > > picking any target and tries to start a flame war, not only here. A > > quick search on Google Groups shows several threads that end with "go > > away, we don't want you here". > > I'm evaluating hibernate. > > Can you please point me to the quick-start guide? > > I did not find it. > > > We never needed to ban someone from our developer list in three years, > > but I'll see what we can do. If we can't find a technical solution > > please don't reply to any of his emails or postings. This usually helps > > sooner or later. > > Correct. > > Ignoring is the method to take. > > > Back to business (or Christmas, if you are into that kind of thing). > > To Gavin King: > > Removing a person [which writes fully in topic] from a mailinglist is > censorship. > > http://www.mail-archive.com/hibernate-devel%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg04208.html > > - > > This here is not your personal playground. > > I ask you friendly to stop removing me from the list. > > . > > -- > http://lazaridis.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide > Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. > Discover which products truly live up to the hype. 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