All sounds cool ;) I can see the advantage of "converters" which can put elements into Lucence in a better/human manner.
The loading of objects from Lucene + "yet another QL" I'm a bit more critical about. Would it not be better to do the following: 1. Use whatever QL Lucene supports to express the query. (What does another QL helps here ?) 2. Do the query against the Lucence index and return id's which then is resolved via Hibernate and possible in 2nd lvl cache. (We could maybe optimize the id lookups via some targetted queries) 3. IFF you really want look into have Lucene be a 2nd lvl cache provider ? (would probably require a "chainable" cacheprovider to have both lucence and ehcache queries in the same app...but that is "sugar") ...maybe there is something I miss because I don't understand what the "mixed mode means" and why you want bytecode enhancement mixed in here ? /max > After chatting with Emmanuel, here is a draft plan for a closer > integration between Hibernate and Lucene for performing full text > queries. > Hibernate annotations for Lucene helps keeping the lucene indexes up to > date, but doesn't provide a query facility. > It also lacks converters that would for example help store a Date with > the proper format in Lucene, so that the alphabetic order matches the > Object's natural order. > > A framework like Compass ( http://www.opensymphony.com/compass ) is > meant to fix this problem, by implementing it's own OSEM (Object, Search > Engine Mapping), and having a query facility that mimics what hibernate > is doing with database side. > Compass can even reuse Hibernate's mapping thus minimizing the > configuration effort. > > One short coming I've found with Compass though is that the objects that > you get when you query the full text engine aren't connected to the ones > in the database. > So if you manipulate them, the changes aren't persisted or can actually > erase some of the information in the database. > > The best way to have a simple and risk free integration is to build a > Full Text query facility that would be closely integrated with Hibernate > & Hibernate Lucene annotations. > > So, querying the Full Text indexes would return objects, like Compass > does, but those objects would be fetched from the database. > Actually, for performance reasons, they could be initialized with the > information from the FT index, and, through byte code enhancement, if an > uninitialized property is read, or a property is set, the real object > could be fetched from the database and read/set accordingly. > Here are a few examples : > > 1) Just make a full text search : > query "toto" would fetch all the object with an indexed field > containing toto from the Lucene index. > If the objects are initialized from the Lucene index, just one > query to the Lucene index is done, and the search results can be > displayed. > => Best performance. > Loading the objects from the database is useless here, and would > only lead to poorer performances. > 2) Make a full text search AND manipulate the objects : > You want to query all the objects with "toto", and increment > their "searchHits" property. > You do the query, with a Load.EAGER parameter. > Only the objects' ids are retrieved from Lucene, and the real > objects are retrieved from Hibernate > 3) Mix both approaches > Requires byte code enhancements. > Can be useful for cases where for some types of objects you > don't want to store all the properties required to display the > search view results in the index. > Only those objects will be loaded from Hibernate. > All 3 modes should work, but we can always begin by implementing > mode 2 only (retrieving only the id's from Lucene, and > initializing the objects from Hibernate). > Everything will still work, but performance will not be optimal. > Later on we can implement mode 3 (which would also solve > situation 1), and the changes will be transparent to the user. > Only the performance will be better. > > Another advantage of integrating the Full Text query closely with > Hibernate is that in some cases where a field isn't indexed but the > query is still simple (fiels x like toto%), the Lucene index would not > be needed, and some queries can be performed directly via Hibernate in a > transparent way for the user. > > To summarize this, the biggest changes would be : > > - Add converters to Hibernate Lucene annotations, like what > Compass is doing : > > http://www.opensymphony.com/compass/versions/0.9.1/html/core-settings.html#config-converter > - Build a Full Text query facility similar to Hql / Criteria, > but focussed on full text search (also like Compass's one : > > http://www.opensymphony.com/compass/versions/0.9.1/html/core-workingwithobjects.html#Searching > > ) but that would make sure the objects retrieved from the Lucene index > behave as if they were retrieved from the database. > > I would be glad to ear from your feedback on this. > > Thanks, > > Sylvain. -- -- Max Rydahl Andersen callto://max.rydahl.andersen Hibernate [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hibernate.org JBoss Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] _______________________________________________ hibernate-devel mailing list hibernate-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hibernate-devel
