Salam all, I fully support the setting up of an INDEPENDENT ACA to probe not only the current PM but the former PM as well.
AWANG - 3 tahun jadi PM sudah ada banyak cerita, 22 tahun jadi PM lagi banyak cerita yang enak-enak. Harap-harap DON dan konco-konco yang sama waktu dengannya tak membutakan mata dan mata hati mereka kepada fakta-fakta busuk yang terpendam selama 22 tahun yang wajib dipamirkan kepada rakyat jelata. AWANG - rela terima kenyataan jika PM sekarang ni bersalah, tapi relakah DON terima kenyataan yang serupa jika ianya ternyata salah di pihak TDM ??? AWANG - rasanya DON dan konco-konco yang sama waktu dengannya sedang "living in denial" when it comes to TDM !!! Why so ???? Ada masyuuuuuuk ka ? INSYA ALLAH, THANK YOU, WASSALAM & BEST REGARDS FROM AZMI ABDUL LATIFF ----- Original Message ---- From: Don Rahim Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 6:04:40 PM Subject: Re: Re: Was Paklah fully cleared in the U.N Oil-for-food Scandal?? Hi Lip, TQ for answering. Let me paraphrase your answer then. "Thuan Lip supports the idea that an independent ACA be created to probe the Prime Minister on the U.N Oil-for-food scandal. He thinks that ACA should be made independent and not reporting to the PM. He says that an independent ACA should probe, without fear or favour, all other alleged corruption cases as well". Now, pls tell me if the above statement is a true and fair account of your answer below? hehe.. Salam, Din p.a to Don On 9/12/06, Thuan Lip wrote: Din/Don, Your question: "Do you support the idea to create an independent commission or do you think we should just close one eye on the issue? " My answer: No. There is no need to set up a different commission just to investigate a single event. I have always supported the notion that the our existing ACA should be an independent body tasked with investigating all allegations of corruption a la Hong Kong's ICAC. Again, my point is why single out this one single act to set up a special taxpayer money-sapping commission? If you are seeing the larger picture, tackle corruption as a larger issue and push for an independent ACA to investigate all cases. ...Lip... On 9/12/06, Don Rahim wrote: Hey Lip, Before you said "marathon", now you're saying "marathons" instead. Looks like a subtle shifting of your position! Hehe.... Anyway, my rebuttal still applies. Regardless if it's one marathon or many marathons, you have to take steps FORWARD to finish each race. Whether it's incremental steps or giant leaps, as long as we take steps forward, one day (be it now or in 10 years time) we'll bound the finish the entire race. If we have the capacity to take giant leaps forward, we should do it instead of making small incremental steps. But if we DIGRESS, we'll end up no where! As stated earlier, if we chose to ignore or close one eye on the issue, we're simply digressing in this fight against corruption. If action is taken, then it's a giant step forward! Secondly, I'm not imposing my notion of "right" contrary to what you said. It's an issue of universal justice and fairness. How do you explain to the small time civil servant or policemen who were convicted of taking a few hundred ringgit in bribes when our leaders (and their family) alleged to be involved in scandals involving billions of ringgit got away scot-free, without even having to be probed??? Jawable... Ini justice islam Hadhari kah? Thirdly, now you're giving another analogy i.e. George Bush. Looks like you're full of analogies... .hehe. Well, you can create as many analogies as you want and I'll try to rebut each and every single one. Of course we cannot right the wrongs overnight. But if we don't make the first step forward and instead ignore or close one eye, forever we won't right the wrongs! As simple as that. My point is this issue is simple. Why not create an independent commission to probe the issue further? Do you support the idea to create an independent commission or do you think we should just close one eye on the issue? (For your info, our friend dowjones ran away without answering this simple question). By the way, it's the trees that make up the forest. No point seeing the forest if you can't even spot the trees! Salam, Din p.a to Don On 9/12/06, Thuan Lip wrote: Din/Don, Like our highly intelligent and well-liked friend George W Bush, you choose to impose your notion of "right" as the only correct way forward. And like Bush's war in Iraq, you will come to realise that some wrongs cannot be righted overnight - at least not without much "collateral damage", no matter how much power you may think you have. Back to the marathon - again you miss the point. I'm talking about improving stamina over the course of a few marathons. You talk about crawling forward and backwards in a single marathon. I'm asking you to see the forest, you are counting the trees. I say look at how to reduce corruption gradually and systemically, you choose to weed out one man. Cheers, ...Lip... On 9/11/06, Don Rahim wrote: Dear Lip, Haha.......I can't help but laugh when I saw your posting below. Is it the view of an educated Malaysian young professional? It appears more to me like you're defending the alleged corruption act at all costs, even to the extent of giving irrational arguments! Let me REBUT the point you raised about the marathon analogy. In a marathon, you can either walk, run or even crawl to the end of the line. What matters is that you PROGRESS to your destination. You don't stop or walk back to the starting line. If this happens, then you DIGRESS. Taking action on alleged corrupt activities (regardless of whom) when the facts (and evidence) are there is like making this step forward, or PROGRESS, in this fight against corruption. Closing one eye or ignoring is like DIGRESSING. If you do this, forever you won't reach your destination! Haha... Salam, Din p.a to Don On 9/11/06, Thuan Lip < [EMAIL PROTECTED] com > wrote: Dear PM, Like Din, you miss the point. Corruption is a scourge that cannot be eradicated in one fell swoop. It's a marathon. And like a marathon runner, you do not expect to achieve world-class speeds overnight. You have to keep running everyday and slowly improve bit by bit. If you are expecting that Malaysia suddenly becomes corruption-free overnight, then you are aiming for the impossible. Cronyism and money politics was ingrained into the Malaysian political landscape under the watch of the past administration. We have to see if the current administration can improve the situation. What is needed is not criticism of a snapshot - e.g a single point in time or a single incident or a single scandal. You need to look at whether there is improvement from 15, 10, 5 years ago and now. Focusing on a single incident linked to a single person is, in my view, a witchhunt with other agendas behind it. Rgds, ...Lip... On 9/7/06, Malaysian <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> wrote: Mr Lip, I don't think a 'balance analysis' is relevant here, except to serve the purpose of 'comparing' the two individuals. As far as corruption is concerned, I think every individual should be scrutinised separately. It also applies to each and every politician/leader/ etc, without trying to say, "but the other guy did this, this and that, etc.". I would say the buck stops at every level of corruption - multi-stoppage! That's worth 1.5 cents! :) Brgds, Pure Malaysian (PM) On 9/4/06, Thuan Lip < [EMAIL PROTECTED] com > wrote: Din, I don't think Alvin mentioned anywhere that it's ok to be corrupt. His point is that your tirade appears to be a witchhunt against Pak Lah and in no way appears to be balanced analysis of alleged corruption. A fair and balanced analysis should include Tun and his cabinet as well, no? Then we can clearly see if things are improving or getting worse. When we look at change, we should focus on a trend, not on a single point. I can safely say every politician, aspiring or current, has some dirt if you dig deep enough. Perhaps even an aspiring PA you may have some dirt, just that I don't know your full name so I can't Google you. Anyway, the saying is "where the BUCK stops". Not BULK. Typo there. Cheers, ...Lip... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- All views expressed herein belong to the individuals concerned and do not in any way reflect the official views of Hidayahnet unless sanctioned or approved otherwise. 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