Hi,

Am 10.05.2012 um 10:56 schrieb Xin Gu:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> I am a developer from HIPL project and working on HIPv2 related 
> functionalities under Miika's instruction. We have found some gaps in the 
> transition process from HIPv1 to HIPv2. My question is: do we expect a smooth 
> transition from HIPv1 to HIPv2 or we simply want to wipe out HIPv1?
> 
> No matter what the answer it will be, we think it is still worthwhile to 
> describe those gaps we met, because we might face similar transition problems 
> again when HIPv3 comes out. Below is the description:
> 
> In order to provide a smooth transition from HIPv1 to HIPv2, we start to 
> prototype a dual version support HIPL, which aims to handle HIPv1 and HIPv2 
> association at the same time. If the version of the inbound I1 is one, the 
> HIPL host continues a HIPv1 BEX; If the version of the inbound I1 is two, the 
> host goes with a HIPv2 BEX. 
> 
> However the new OGA bits in HIPv2 adds new gaps to this approach. The 
> introduction of OGA bits changes the presentation of a key in HIPv1 HIT and 
> HIPv2 HIT and a host cannot tell a HIT contains OGA bits or not solely 
> (although there is a very low possibility that v1 HIT and v2 HIT for a same 
> key are identical).

As far as I remember, we discussed a new prefix for the new version of the 
ORCHID. This would make the distinction trivial.

Will this solve your problem?

Tobias



> Therefore a dual-version host is clueless on which HIP version it should use 
> when a peer HIT is presented. For a dual-version responder, it also needs to 
> check two kinds of new invalid requests: 1) a HIPv1 initiation to a HIT with 
> OGA.  2) a HIPv2 initiation to a HIT without OGA.
> 
> The interoperability table below shows all possible conditions:
>   
> V1 initiator:   a host only capable of triggering HIPv1 BEX
> V1 responder:   a host only capable of handling HIPv1 messages
> V2 initiator:   a host only capable of triggering HIPv2 BEX
> V2 responder:   a host only capable of handling HIPv2 messages
> Dual initiator: a host capable of triggering both HIPv1 and HIPv2 BEX
> Dual responder: a host capable of handling both HIPv1 and HIPv2 messages
> HITv1:          a HIT without OGA bits owned by the host
> HIT_OGA:        a HIT with OGA bits owned by the host
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                       1) V1 responder    2) V2 responder    3) Dual responder
>                          HITv1              HIT_OGA            HITv1 & HIT_OGA
> 
> a) V1 initiator          v1                 no                 v1*
>    HITv1
> 
> b) V2 initiator          no                 v2                 v2*
>    HIT_OGA
> 
> c) Dual initiator        v1*                v2*                v1/v2*
>    HITv1 & HIT_OGA
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                        Interoperability table
> 
> All gap cases are marked by an asterisk in the cell:
>       • Cell c2, A dual-version initiator and a HIPv2-only responder: the 
> initiator gets a HIT with OGA bits since the responder only support HIPv2. 
> But the initiator gets stuck here because it doesn't know if it should choose 
>  HIPv1 BEX or HIPv2 BEX.
>       • Cell c1, similar to Cell c2.
>       • Cell b3, A HIPv2-only initiator and a dual-version responder: the 
> initiator knows 2 HITs (with and without OGA bits) of the peer. The initiator 
> can only start a HIPv2 BEX, but it doesn't know which HIT contains OGA.
>       • Cell a3, similar to Cell b3.
>       • Cell c3, A dual-version initiator and a dual-version responder: the 
> initiator has 2 HITs (with and without OGA bits) of the peer and it can start 
> both HIPv1 and HIPv2 BEX, but either one requires to find a corresponding HIT.
> To facilitate the transition process, a dual-version host needs a mechanism 
> to detect the presence of OGA bits in a HIT, which seems to be impossible to 
> achieve now. Perhaps changing the current HIT prefix (2001:0010::0/28) to 
> another one can be a solution?
> 
> In addition to the issue above, the HIP DNS extension faces similar 
> challenges since it doesn't distinguish the types of HIT (with or without 
> OGA) in its record, while IPv4 and IPv6 does ( A record and AAAA record).
> 
> Miika also proposes a potential security vulnerability on the communication 
> of two dual-version host with DNS. If DNS supports returning both kinds of 
> HIT to a dual-version host, an attacker can remove the record containing OGA 
> bits, which forces two dual-version hosts establish a HIPv1 association and 
> use weaker ciphers.
> 
> 
> Miika and I have been actively discussing on these issues. Hope we can also 
> get advice from all experts here. Thanks a lot.
> 
> Best regards,
> Xin Gu
> 
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