One last statement about recycling Xylene and Alcohol and I do not have a dog in the fight. *Many labs I visit have recyclers and many of those do not use them any more due to poor or inconsistent quality of the end product and overall disillusionment of the money or time they thought they would save.*
I am not telling labs not to recycle but if they ask me, I tell them what I have seen and give them some of the data around the process measurements we have collected. Some variables that are critical in gauging the value-add or non value-add are: - Cost of Waste disposal per gallon - Fully Burdened Salary of the lab individual/s that currently handle reagent changes (H&E stainer, Tissue Processor) vs. that of lab individual/s that will be or are handling the the recyclable reagents - Time to retrieve fresh reagents vs. time to move the recyclable reagent to and from the recycler. - Cost of PPE, i.e. respirator mask, gloves - Cost per square foot of Storage space for Hazardous waste vs. recycler foot print. This is an opportunity cost that recycling may provide for other types of storage. - Time to make dilutions of alcohol (100% to 95%, 85%,etc.) - Time to measure the concentrations of the recycled alcohol - Time for corrections if the concentrations is too low or too high - Is there a xylene substitute or instrument that does not require xylene and or alcohol - Others Your have to be objective about the process measurements of making the decision. What am I gaining vs. what am getting vs. what am I giving up. On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 1:00 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Histonet mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Histonet digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Recycled reagents in VIP processor (Frazier, John) > 2. Leica CM1950 (Clements, Mary Ann) > 3. Re: Recycled reagents in VIP processor (Margaryan, Naira) > 4. Re: Recycled reagents in VIP processor (Gareth Davis) > 5. Re: Histonet Digest, Vol 159, Issue 24 (Joanne Clark) > 6. Cassette Printers (Eileen Akemi Allison) > 7. cassette printer additional request (Eileen Akemi Allison) > 8. Re: cassette printer additional request (Blazek, Linda) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Frazier, John" <[email protected]> > To: Jay Lundgren <[email protected]> > Cc: "Margaryan, Naira" <[email protected]>, Gareth Davis < > [email protected]>, "[email protected]" < > [email protected]>, "[email protected]" < > [email protected]> > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 14:30:46 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Histonet] Recycled reagents in VIP processor > As a six sigma consultant to histology laboratories, it has been my > experience that recycling xylene and alcohol overall is not a cost > saver. When you factor in both capital dollars and operational > dollars, the savings is neutral. In addition to the neutral cost in > recycling, you have to concern yourself with the quality of your in > product on a daily basis. The last piece in the equation is the > handling of Xylene with multiple touch points in between. A movement > within the histology world has begun with handling xylene (hazard > waste) as little as possible and/or reducing or eliminating its use > where possible. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 27, 2017, at 6:25 PM, Jay Lundgren <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > When people say they are saving money by recycling reagents I always > wonder > > if they are including tech time (to run the still) in their calculations. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Jay A. Lundgren, M.S., HTL (ASCP) > > > > On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Margaryan, Naira via Histonet < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AS WELL - IT IS WASTE OF MONEY.... > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Naira > >> > >> > >> Ranked nationally in all 10 pediatric specialties by U.S. News & World > >> Report (LCHOC Ver 1.0) > >> > >> > >> This message contains confidential information and is intended only for > >> the individual named. 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(LCHOC VER 1.0) > >> > >> ________________________________________ > >> From: Gareth Davis via Histonet [[email protected]] > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 2:23 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: [Histonet] Recycled reagents in VIP processor > >> > >> Hi, > >> I was always told not to use recycled reagents, i.e. Alcohol and > Xylene, in > >> processors. I am using a VIP 300, refurbished, and I would rather not > use > >> recycled reagents in it. But, during the last CAP inspection they > >> suggested I use the recycled to save money. And now my administration > >> wants to cut cost. Just wanted to know what labs were doing. > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Ms. Gareth B. Davis, B.S., HT, QIHC (ASCP)cm > >> Yuma Gastroenterology > >> Yuma, AZ 85364 > >> 928-248-5259 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Histonet mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Histonet mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet > >> > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Clements, Mary Ann" <[email protected]> > To: "'[email protected]'" < > [email protected]> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 19:50:49 +0000 > Subject: [Histonet] Leica CM1950 > We are interested in purchasing the Leica CM 1950 cryostat. Would love to > hear your comments, good, bad or indifferent... > Thanks in advance! > > Mary Ann Clements, B.S. > Biorepository Manager > Department of Pathology & Anatomy > Eastern Virginia Medical School > 700 West Olney Road > Lewis Hall, Room 3011 > Norfolk, VA 23507 > > email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > phone: (757) 446-7910 > fax: (757) 446-7059 > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Margaryan, Naira" <[email protected]> > To: "Frazier, John" <[email protected]>, Jay Lundgren < > [email protected]> > Cc: "Margaryan, Naira" <[email protected]>, Gareth Davis < > [email protected]>, "[email protected]" < > [email protected]> > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 20:39:10 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Histonet] Recycled reagents in VIP processor > Absolutely agreed! > > Naira > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frazier, John [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 2:31 PM > To: Jay Lundgren <[email protected]> > Cc: Margaryan, Naira <[email protected]>; Gareth Davis < > [email protected]>; [email protected]; Margaryan, > Naira <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Histonet] Recycled reagents in VIP processor > > As a six sigma consultant to histology laboratories, it has been my > experience that recycling xylene and alcohol overall is not a cost saver. > When you factor in both capital dollars and operational dollars, the > savings is neutral. In addition to the neutral cost in recycling, you have > to concern yourself with the quality of your in product on a daily basis. > The last piece in the equation is the handling of Xylene with multiple > touch points in between. A movement within the histology world has begun > with handling xylene (hazard > waste) as little as possible and/or reducing or eliminating its use where > possible. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 27, 2017, at 6:25 PM, Jay Lundgren <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > When people say they are saving money by recycling reagents I always > > wonder if they are including tech time (to run the still) in their > calculations. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Jay A. Lundgren, M.S., HTL (ASCP) > > > > On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Margaryan, Naira via Histonet < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > >> WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AS WELL - IT IS WASTE OF MONEY.... > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Naira > >> > >> > >> Ranked nationally in all 10 pediatric specialties by U.S. News & > >> World Report (LCHOC Ver 1.0) > >> > >> > >> This message contains confidential information and is intended only > >> for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you > >> should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify > >> the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by > >> mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission > >> cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could > >> be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, > or contain viruses. > >> The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or > >> omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of > >> e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a > >> hard-copy version. (LCHOC VER 1.0) > >> > >> ________________________________________ > >> From: Gareth Davis via Histonet [[email protected]] > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 2:23 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: [Histonet] Recycled reagents in VIP processor > >> > >> Hi, > >> I was always told not to use recycled reagents, i.e. Alcohol and > >> Xylene, in processors. I am using a VIP 300, refurbished, and I > >> would rather not use recycled reagents in it. But, during the last > >> CAP inspection they suggested I use the recycled to save money. And > >> now my administration wants to cut cost. Just wanted to know what labs > were doing. > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Ms. Gareth B. Davis, B.S., HT, QIHC (ASCP)cm Yuma Gastroenterology > >> Yuma, AZ 85364 > >> 928-248-5259 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Histonet mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Histonet mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet > >> > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Gareth Davis <[email protected]> > To: "Margaryan, Naira" <[email protected]> > Cc: "Frazier, John" <[email protected]>, Jay Lundgren < > [email protected]>, "Margaryan, Naira" <[email protected]>, > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 13:57:24 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Histonet] Recycled reagents in VIP processor > When using Xylene in a lab, it's my opinion that the savings is associated > with the size of the lab. I am in a very small lab, where I am the only > Histotech. I recycle both alcohol and Xylene and monitor both closely. > For me, it would cost effective to recycle and use as much as possible, > instead of purchasing fresh. But, I agree, if it's a larger lab it may not > be as cost effective. Also, if the lab is in the position to order a > substitute for Xylene, where it would be cheaper, than that seems to be the > optimum thing to do. > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Margaryan, Naira < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Absolutely agreed! > > > > Naira > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Frazier, John [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 2:31 PM > > To: Jay Lundgren <[email protected]> > > Cc: Margaryan, Naira <[email protected]>; Gareth Davis < > > [email protected]>; [email protected]; > Margaryan, > > Naira <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Histonet] Recycled reagents in VIP processor > > > > As a six sigma consultant to histology laboratories, it has been my > > experience that recycling xylene and alcohol overall is not a cost saver. > > When you factor in both capital dollars and operational dollars, the > > savings is neutral. In addition to the neutral cost in recycling, you > have > > to concern yourself with the quality of your in product on a daily basis. > > The last piece in the equation is the handling of Xylene with multiple > > touch points in between. A movement within the histology world has begun > > with handling xylene (hazard > > waste) as little as possible and/or reducing or eliminating its use where > > possible. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Feb 27, 2017, at 6:25 PM, Jay Lundgren <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > When people say they are saving money by recycling reagents I always > > > wonder if they are including tech time (to run the still) in their > > calculations. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Jay A. Lundgren, M.S., HTL (ASCP) > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Margaryan, Naira via Histonet < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AS WELL - IT IS WASTE OF MONEY.... > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> Naira > > >> > > >> > > >> Ranked nationally in all 10 pediatric specialties by U.S. News & > > >> World Report (LCHOC Ver 1.0) > > >> > > >> > > >> This message contains confidential information and is intended only > > >> for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you > > >> should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify > > >> the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by > > >> mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission > > >> cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could > > >> be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, > > or contain viruses. > > >> The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or > > >> omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of > > >> e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a > > >> hard-copy version. (LCHOC VER 1.0) > > >> > > >> ________________________________________ > > >> From: Gareth Davis via Histonet [[email protected]] > > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 2:23 PM > > >> To: [email protected] > > >> Subject: [Histonet] Recycled reagents in VIP processor > > >> > > >> Hi, > > >> I was always told not to use recycled reagents, i.e. Alcohol and > > >> Xylene, in processors. I am using a VIP 300, refurbished, and I > > >> would rather not use recycled reagents in it. But, during the last > > >> CAP inspection they suggested I use the recycled to save money. And > > >> now my administration wants to cut cost. Just wanted to know what > labs > > were doing. > > >> Thanks, > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Ms. Gareth B. Davis, B.S., HT, QIHC (ASCP)cm Yuma Gastroenterology > > >> Yuma, AZ 85364 > > >> 928-248-5259 > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Histonet mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > >> http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Histonet mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > >> http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > Ms. Gareth B. Davis, B.S., HT, QIHC (ASCP)cm > Yuma Gastroenterology > Yuma, AZ 85364 > 928-248-5259 > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Joanne Clark <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected] > > > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:37:10 +0000 > Subject: Re: [Histonet] Histonet Digest, Vol 159, Issue 24 > > > > Hi Allison, I talked to my safety guy and there isn't anything specific. > They are telling you that because there is a fire hazard warning on > formalin cubes, but we know that the change of it catching fire is slim to > nil. They want you to use the same standards as with alcohol and xylene (1 > gallon per 100 square feet). It is all so dependent on who you have > inspecting you and what their background is. > > Joanne Clark, HT > Pathology Consultants of New Mexico > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 19:26:54 +0000 > From: "Eck, Allison" <[email protected]> > To: "'[email protected]'" > <[email protected]> > Subject: [Histonet] square footage for formalin > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Good afternoon, > We have inspectors here and they are questioning the size of the room in > the operating room where they keep their 5 gallon cube. Does anyone know > of any square footage requirements for a room that where formalin is kept > and used? > > Thank you in advance > Allison > > Allison Eck, HTL(ASCP)cm,QLS, AHI(AMT) > Lead Tech Histology > Doylestown Hospital > 595 W State St > Doylestown, PA 18901 > 215-345-2264 > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Disclaimer: This electronic message may contain information that is > Proprietary, Confidential, or legally privileged or protected. It is > intended only for the use of the individual(s) and entity named in the > message. If you are not an intended recipient of this message, please > notify the sender immediately and delete the material from your computer. > Do not deliver, distribute or copy this message and do not disclose its > contents or take any action in reliance on the information it contains. > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Eileen Akemi Allison <[email protected]> > To: Histonet <[email protected]> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 05:23:16 -0800 > Subject: [Histonet] Cassette Printers > Good morning Histoland! > > Our department is looking into purchasing a new cassette printer which has > the capability of interfacing with our AP Easy LIS System. I am currently > demoing a General Data ID/Positive CL-01 Laser Cassette Printer and label > printer system. We are a fairly small lab with limited space so a small > foot print is essential. We also do not need a multiple magazine. > > I would love to hear your comments, good, bad or indifferent… > > Thanks in advance > > Akemi Allison BS, HT/HTL (ASCP) > Pathology Manager > Monterey Bay GI Consultants Laboratory > 23 Upper Ragsdale Drive, Suite 200 > Monterey, CA 93940 > W: Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > H: Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Eileen Akemi Allison <[email protected]> > To: Histonet <[email protected]> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 05:30:35 -0800 > Subject: [Histonet] cassette printer additional request > Hi Again: > > I forgot to mention I am open to investigate other Cassette Printers other > than the General Data Printer… AlOf course, price, and dependability is a > big factor. Would love to hear your comments, good, bad or indifferent... > > Thanks in again! > > Akemi Allison BS, HT/HTL (ASCP) > Pathology Manager > Monterey Bay GI Consultants Laboratory > 23 Upper Ragsdale Drive, Suite 200 > Monterey, CA 93940 > W: Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > H: Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Blazek, Linda" <[email protected]> > To: Eileen Akemi Allison <[email protected]>, " > [email protected]" <[email protected]> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 09:50:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Histonet] cassette printer additional request > > We have the Primera Signature Cassette printer and like it a lot. Support > is excellent but we haven't needed it much. Set up is easy. Printing is > very good. We also have their slide printer that is interfaced with our > LIS. It's sold by Creative Waste Solutions. > http://cwsincorp.com/ > If you'd like any questions answered feel free to contact me. > > Linda Blazek HT (ASCP) > Pathology Lab Manager > GI Pathology of Dayton > Digestive Specialists, Inc > Phone: (937) 396-2623 > Email: [email protected] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eileen Akemi Allison via Histonet [mailto:histonet@lists. > utsouthwestern.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 8:31 AM > To: Histonet > Subject: [Histonet] cassette printer additional request > > Hi Again: > > I forgot to mention I am open to investigate other Cassette Printers other > than the General Data Printer… AlOf course, price, and dependability is a > big factor. Would love to hear your comments, good, bad or indifferent... > > Thanks in again! > > Akemi Allison BS, HT/HTL (ASCP) > Pathology Manager > Monterey Bay GI Consultants Laboratory > 23 Upper Ragsdale Drive, Suite 200 > Monterey, CA 93940 > W: Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > H: Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > _______________________________________________ > Histonet mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet > > _______________________________________________ > Histonet mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet > -- John S. Frazier, MT(ASCP), MBA, LSSBB Senior Manager, RMS Consulting Roche Diagnostics Corporation Mobile: 1-520-305-5030 Fax: 1-520-229-6819 [email protected] _______________________________________________ Histonet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.utsouthwestern.edu/mailman/listinfo/histonet
