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[islah-net] Interview with Hamid Mir: Bin Laden
Biographer
Interview with Hamid Mir: Bin Laden Biographer
By Ayub Khan
23/10/2001
Hamid Mir, 36, is the editor of an Islamabad-based
newspaper, the Daily Ausaf. He started his journalism
career 15 years ago and has won several awards,
including the Best Columnist award from the All
Pakistan Newspaper Society.
He has interviewed Osama bin Laden four times
since1997 and has also written bin Laden's only
official biography, to be published at the end of
2001. He was also the first person to receive a
message from bin Laden after the attacks on the U.S.
on September 11th denying his involvement.
In this exclusive interview with IslamOnline, Hamid
Mir talks about a variety of issues including the
future of Taliban, Pakistan and bin Laden:
IslamOnline: Do you think that the end of Taliban is
near?
Hamid Mir: The end of Taliban is not near. I told BBC
on 7th Oct that Taliban will not collapse easily.
Three weeks are passed. Americans have failed to break
Taliban. Taliban are moving their troops and weapons
in the mountains. They are planning for guerilla war.
They may lose some cities but they will continue their
jihad. There will be no peace for Americans inside and
out-side the Afghanistan.
IOL: How strong is the Taliban's support base in
Afghanistan?
HM: The support for [the] Taliban in Afghanistan is
increasing day by day. Blind use of military power by
America is increasing the political power of [the]
Taliban. No anti-Taliban leader can enter in Pashtun
speaking areas.
IOL: How true are reports of large-scale defections
from Taliban?
HM: Some of the Uzbek-speaking warlords defected in
Northern Afghanistan. They were not Taliban, they were
allies, but more people are defecting from Northern
Alliance to Taliban.
IOL: Are there any rifts within Taliban leadership?
HM: There is no rift in Taliban. American and
Pakistani intelligence agencies organized a grand
meeting in Peshawar on October 21st to form a jirga
[traditional meeting of elders] with defected Taliban
commanders. They were not able to break even a single
Taliban commander and the meeting was postponed. There
are rifts within Northern Alliance. [Burhanuddin]
Rabbani is against [Mohammed] Fahim, and Fahim is
against Sayyaf.
IOL: What will happen in Afghanistan if Taliban are
kicked out of power?
HM: There will be no peace in Afghanistan if Taliban
lose power. Public is against America. You will see
that superpower will be humiliated in Afghanistan.
IOL: How well do you know bin Laden?
HM: I know him from last four years. I met him twice,
spend many days with him. He is not a scholar, he is a
fighter. He wants to liberate Palestine. He wrote many
poems against Israel. He is a jihadi [warrior] poet.
His poems will come out very soon. I always ask him
difficult questions and he answers my questions with
patience.
IOL: Do you think that bin Laden is behind the 9-11
attacks?
HM: I don't think a man living in [the] mountains,
without any communication facilities inside America
can manage such kind of big operation.
IOL: Why do you think that he is being considered as a
hero in the Muslim world?
HM: Most of the people like him because people are
against America. He is a hero by default. Many people
don't share his ideology [because he praised the
September 11th attacks], but they are supporting the
enemy of their enemy, which is America.
IOL: Give us your personal impressions of bin Laden?
HM: He is a soft spoken, humble and simple man. He is
very good in his behavior. He doesn't behave like a
terrorist.
IOL: When are you going to publish your book on bin
Laden?
HM: My book about Osama will be published in December
2001. This is a first book written after meeting him.
It will be in English and Urdu [official language of
Pakistan].
IOL: What kind of a man is Mullah Omar?
HM: Mullah Omar is a real mujahid [fighter]. I think
his stature is bigger than Osama. Osama takes orders
from him. Osama became hero because of Omar. He is
simple man who spent his most of time in mosque or on
the battlefield. Mullah Omar is convinced that America
is not after Osama, they are after Islam. Omar told me
a year back that Osama came to Afghanistan in May
1996, Taliban captured Kabul in September 1996 and
American Assistant Secretary Of State Mrs. Robin
Raphel supported Taliban in November 1996. She was
silent on Osama because America wanted to use Taliban
against China and Iran, when Taliban refused,
Americans created the issue of Osama bin laden.
IOL: How long can the Taliban survive the military
attacks?
HM: Taliban will not be routed. They can easily fight
for more than a year.
IOL: Does [Pakistani President Pervez] Musharraf have
what it will take to contain the pro-Taliban
constituency in Pakistan?
HM: Musharraf cannot control pro-Taliban feelings in
Pakistan. He is playing with fire. He is pushing
country towards civil war.
IOL: What do you make of charges by Western media
which label the madrassas [religious schools] as
breeding grounds of fanaticism?
HM: Pakistani madrassas are not involved in
fanaticism. What about secular fanaticism. The girl
students in France are not allowed to cover their
heads with scarf because they are Muslims, but
Christian nuns are not stopped to cover their heads.
Now the English speaking class in Pakistan is becoming
pro-Taliban.
IOL: What kind of a future do you expect for Taliban,
Pakistan and bin Laden?
HM: They may be eliminated physically, but they will
survive politically. Dead Osama will be more
dangerous, thousands of new Osamas will born. The half
of Pakistan will be converted into Taliban. One day
Afghanistan will become symbol of pride for the Muslim
ummah [nation]. [U.S. President George W.] Bush used
the word "crusade". This word came on his tongue
because he hates Muslims. He has started crusade in
Afghanistan, it will end up in America. His war is not
against terror, this war is against error, and we can
find out the error in the Middle East, in Kashmir and
in Chechnya.
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