> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Persuter
> Sent: 10 March 2002 07:55
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their
> apps?
>
>
> /me notes that it seems unlikely that MS would use any type of MFC stuff
> in their programs. Why in the world would you use generalized libraries
> when you can knock on the next office and get the source?
Check SPY+ on a few MS apps.. You'll be surprised. Visual Studio uses MFC
heavily for a start.
> And Gollum, indeed I had noticed that VB5 and VB6 are light years ahead
> of the early stuff. Very nice for simple database applications, good SQL
> stuff. Kudos. :)
The easiest way to tell is to run SPY+ and look at the class names. MFC
stuff has random ids attached to the name, whereas stright API classes are
plain names like "Edit" and "listbox". Also, Delphi/CBuilder stuff has
names such as "TApplication" and "TButton". As for VB, i'm not sure, but I
guess they have different names too.
Cry0Gem
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Simon Rose
> > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 12:33 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their
> apps?
> >
> > I read in a book about someone who was trying to write a toolbar like
> > Microsoft's (this was some time back), so they used that Spy tool on
> one
> > of
> > Microsoft's products to intercept the messages expecting MFC type
> stuff or
> > similar going on. They found nothing of the sort and summised
> (correctly I
> > feel) that MS wrote quite a lot of their UI from the ground-up.
> >
> > I doubt they would have used VB for this, but I'm open to it being
> > possible.
> >
> > Simon
> >
> > PS: I wish MS would provide most of the standard UI elements (such as
> > power
> > toolbar, menu and docking windows a la InterDev etc) in their
> developer
> > products, that way we wouldn't have to spend the first 30% of our time
> > trying to be like them, only for the other 70% of our time trying not
> to
> > be
> > like them!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Pat Magnan
> > Sent: 08 March 2002 09:39
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [hlcoders] OT: what do langauge microsoft use for their
> > apps?
> >
> >
> > Ok, how dumb of me earlier. I ran all the .exes through the dependency
> > walker that comes with Visual Studio.
> >
> > A VB App (any that I've ever seen, are all dependent on:
> > MSVBVM50.DLL
> > which in turn depends on stuff like GDI, Kernell, etc type dlls
> >
> > An MFC App would have MFC42 dll in its dependency tree, then GDI and
> > kernell etc.
> >
> > For Office (for example), I see neither of those. I see WWINTL32.DLL
> > (don't know what this is) and MSO97.DLL (likely just a library of
> > common code for office), but no VB runtime or MFC42 anywhere in there.
> >
> > Therefore, if I had to make a semi-educated guess, I'd say that office
> > is written (office 97 is what I have, so this is a little dated)
> > entirely in C, no MFC, could be C++, but it's likely that it's using
> > straight Win32 API calls for the GUI.
> >
> > Oops, sorry about the WAG I made earlier ;)
> >
> > That's a great tool for remembering what to ship sort of complex
> > products, I always have it in my 'send to' menu, so I can make sure
> > that our distribution folks never forget to include a .dll or whatever
> > on a CD ;)
> >
> > >
> > > Maybe they wrote them in Delphi....
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Florian Zschocke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
> > > Simon Rose wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It always did my
> > > > > noodle that something could compile itself, if you
> > > > see what I mean. Cool
> > > > > though.
> > > >
> > > > It's called bootstrapping and every compiler does
> > > > it. You have to
> > > > start at machine level somewhere, tho, unless you're
> > > > cross-compiling (which is what is usually done).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I would hope they don't use VB for anything.
> > > > Sorry, but imho, I don't think
> > > > > VB is up to the job.
> > > >
> > > > AFAIK the UIs are in VB.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Florian.
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
>
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