I would politely suggest that you unsubscribe from the list or opt for the daily digest instead. There was no need for that childish display.
On 19 Aug 2009, at 20:36, Joost van kempen <[email protected]> wrote: > > I DONT WANT THIS SPAM MAIL ANYMORE > >> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:02:35 -0700 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] My harddrive died overnight. No warning. I >> lost tons of data. >> >> Stay on Topic. >> >> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Harry Jeffery < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> For a full conversion 3-4 (maybe even 5) coders is acceptable but >>> the >>> majority of mods really don't need as many coders as they try to >>> get. >>> >>> Generally I learn the bit of the SDK I'm about to work on, for a bit >>> before I start work instead of learning the whole thing. >>> >>> By doing gameplay and logic first (the bit I'm best at IMHO) I can >>> get >>> a fun and playable mod. While the 2D and 3D artists are at work >>> during >>> the art pass on the mod I can get to grips with visual coding; >>> particles and vgui for example. >>> >>> I generally look through the code for 30 mins and test some things >>> out. If I cant find what I'm looking for I ask for a pointer in the >>> source coding forums or on here. That usually solves the problem for >>> me. >>> >>> >>> 2009/8/19 ZuM <[email protected]>: >>>> Well, one coder to develop a total conversion mod for a game in my >>> opinion >>>> is a small number. There are a lot of ground to cover and also >>>> most of >>> the >>>> people work full-time and develop the mods on their free time, so >>>> it's >>> not >>>> unreasonable to have 4-5 coders... >>>> >>>> Also this way everybody can specialise on some parts of the SDK >>>> instead >>> of >>>> being a Jack-of-all-trades. >>>> >>>> 2009/8/19 Harry Jeffery <[email protected]> >>>> >>>>> @ Richard >>>>> >>>>> I learn by reading through the code and experimenting. Sometimes >>>>> there >>>>> are previous implementations I can use for reference. If someone >>>>> wants >>>>> to help a newbie by mentoring them that's great. I just feel that >>>>> while being mentored the newbie should concentrate on becoming >>>>> competent with the engine by prehaps making a smaller >>>>> experimental mod >>>>> rather than tagging along with a mod team that already has a >>>>> coder. >>>>> Learning by doing is far better than watching. >>>>> >>>>> @ Adam >>>>> >>>>> Sure, they would. That's how I started working for Nightmare >>>>> House 2. >>>>> It was on the verge of death because Hen couldn't get a coder to >>>>> finish the work he needed done who wasn't asking for money. While >>>>> working on that mod I learnt a lot. >>>>> >>>>> I'm also working on a fully fledged surf mod (CSS style surfing) >>>>> It >>>>> uses a point system similar to those found in skateboarding games. >>>>> Implementing something like that only took me a couple of days >>>>> at most >>>>> on my own and I'm not exactly a highly skilled coder. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, my point is all these new mods start asking for 2-3 coders >>>>> right off the bat and trying to pull a big team together. From >>>>> experience it's far better to have just 1 coder to get the >>>>> gameplay >>>>> working and then maybe bring in a second for bugfixing and >>>>> polish if >>>>> necessary. >>>>> >>>>> I just feel mods having several unnecessary coders sets a bad >>>>> example >>>>> to newbies and is a bit unfair on mods with a great team that just >>>>> cannot get hold of a coder to do some simple changes to the >>>>> game. By >>>>> having each mod take only what it needs from the hl2 modding >>>>> community >>>>> it would give other mods with lots of potential a better chance of >>>>> being completed and released. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>>> archives, >>>>> please visit: >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>>> archives, >>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >>> archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Gear Dev >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > What can you do with the new Windows Live? 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