I've been twisting my brain for some time now, to figure out what possible technical problems are in the way or fixing this, and I still have no answer.
I must have been going over the problem ten times, and every time I come to the same conclusion; it�s easy to fix, and should have been done right from the beginning. But then again, it might not be a technical problem, it might be that they simply don�t have the necessary skills / insights to do it right - And considering that a lot of Valve people are ex Microsoft people, I find that notion entirely feasible. /Jesper S�rensen - Network Engineer > Thats my point, the amount of records we are talking about is not that > large when you have worked with decent sized databases. > > I guess you have: > > Account Name > Contact E-mail > Password > Secret Question > Secret Answer > CD-Key > STEAM_ID > > So about 7 basic fields per user and I guess you would have times and > dates as well, so I mean you could have 20 fields and its still > nothing. > > I guess you could keep records of IP addresses and servers played on > if you wished which would increase the amount of fields you require, > but I mean there are people who are cleverer and more experienced than > I am who would be able to tell you that this would be pretty easy to > keep a record of all of this stuff if required, but in any case is not > necessary for identification/authetication purposes and you could keep > it in several linked databases and only keep a database with the above > fields or something similar for the day to day authetication since > that where the largest amount of querys are going to occur. > > As I said quite sometime ago in this list, if you don't know what you > are doing just get IBM to do it for you, it wouldn't even be that > expensive and a least THEY know wtf they are doing! > > On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:25:54 -0000, BoNfiRe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Probbably because of the scale involved in doing this. > > How many ppl have steam accounts hmm too many. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Whisper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 1:09 PM > > Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > > > > > Can somebody who is more familiar with Databases and Database security > > > please explain to me/us why it is difficult for Valve to secure their > > > STEAM_ID system? > > > > > > Doesn't Valve have complete control over the STEAM User and STEAM_ID > > > database? > > > > > > Doesn't Valve know which STEAM_ID's belong to which STEAM Users? > > > > > > Don't Valve know whether a STEAM Account has been created legitimately > > > on their STEAM User database or not? > > > > > > Can't Valve verify that people in a server are using STEAM_ID's that > > > were created legitimately and belong to the STEAM User they purport to > > > be? > > > > > > From my basic knowledge of databases and network security all this > > > should be extremely simple to setup and secure and the database would > > > not ever be that large (10 million records is nothing in the scheme of > > > databases) and no matter what is occurring on the client (which is how > > > nosteam works AFAIK it is all client side) it should be damn simple to > > > stop illegitimate users connecting or at least staying connected to a > > > server if the correct procedures were put in place! > > > > > > Anybody got any reason why this would be a difficult thing to do? > > > > > > Anybody got any insights into how nosteam works and why it's so > > > difficult for Valve to block its use? > > > > > > Nobody I have spoken to about this issue who knows anything about > > > databases, database & network security understands when I put to them > > > the scenario, why this is a problem. > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 23:57:26 -0700, Alex Herlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > >> Haha yea... > > >> > > >> I am very pissed that Valve hasn't had more support for Steam related > > >> technology since the release of Half-Life 2... I mean Steam has been > > >> buggy > > >> and weird in general, and had poor anti-cheat protection for a while > > >> now... > > >> but now that I've forked over $60 for half-life 2, I kind of expect a lot > > >> of > > >> these things to be resolved by now, or being fixed very quickly as we > > >> speak. > > >> > > >> Don't get me wrong, I see the potential of steam as being something > > >> really > > >> great.. but right now with the flakey friends network being practically > > >> unusable, and no anti-cheat/hack protection, its all totally worthless... > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc > > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:39 PM > > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > > >> > > >> You must not forget to get the media involved (c-net, zd-net, abc, cbs, > > >> post, times, etc..). Only then will it truly work. > > >> > > >> Happy Holidays > > >> > > >> Andrew R. Mitcham wrote: > > >> > > >> >I'm all for a shut down of my servers in protest. I think I have bitched > > >> >and moaned about the negligence of VAC for years... and every time I do, > > >> >someone says "Oh, they are working on it... be patient". 2 years > > >> >later... MORE hackers than pre-steam. > > >> > > > >> >I participate in Steambans.com (I'm ranked #1 on there :D) which was > > >> >great for a while. But now that I hear people can get a new STEAMID so > > >> >easily, I have noticed return hackers... especially the ones that have > > >> >the name changing script. > > >> > > > >> >While all of us stopping our servers for a day is a small percentage, > > >> >I'm pretty sure we are the owners of some of the BETTER pubs out there. > > >> >I know my CSDM server is hugely popular and its absence for a day would > > >> >cause a lot of people to wonder. Multiply that by everyone on this list > > >> >(OK, not everyone) it could cause a little publicity. > > >> > > > >> >We should email fan sites (csnation.net, hlfallout.net, halflife2.net, > > >> >etc) and let them know that this event may occur and the reason why. > > >> > > > >> >Seriously, SOMETHING needs to be done and I won't take "someone is > > >> >working on it" for an answer by someone who doesn't work for VALVe. > > >> > > > >> >-----Original Message----- > > >> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc > > >> >Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:25 PM > > >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> >Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > > >> > > > >> >IMO, this Friday is too soon, we need some organization and lots of > > >> >folks (web sites) to spread the word > > >> > > > >> >Happy Holidays > > >> > > > >> >K. Mike Bradley wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >>It wont hurt and it mite send a message. > > >> >>There has been a discussion for over 8 months now so that don't work > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >... > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >>Show some solidarity admins! > > >> >> > > >> >>DO SOMETHING TO BREAK THE IMPASSE! > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >>-----Original Message----- > > >> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc > > >> >>Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 8:38 PM > > >> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> >>Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > > >> >> > > >> >>Thats just it, you won't hear a peep from them! On a serious note, I > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >am > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >>open to "anything" that would work. > > >> >> > > >> >>Happy Holidays > > >> >> > > >> >>J Marcus wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >>>Nah that is not the answer..it would just help the empty servers. Why > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >not > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >>>have a open discussion about it on this mailing list. Not looking to > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >go > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>into > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >>>anything specific but to have absolutely no response or participation > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >in > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>the > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >>>dialog from Valve just doesn't sit well with me. Or did I miss > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >something.. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >>>jefe > > >> >>> > > >> >>>-----Original Message----- > > >> >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> >>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roc > > >> >>>Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 6:00 PM > > >> >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> >>>Subject: Re: [hlds] When will the "nosteam" hacks be fixed? > > >> >>> > > >> >>>Mike, a day is not enough, lets say a week! > > >> >>> > > >> >>>K. Mike Bradley wrote: > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>>>If you server admins really wanted to do something stop your servers > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >for > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>one > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>>>day ... Lets say this Friday. > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>>See what Valve does then. > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>-- > > >> >>>No virus found in this outgoing message. > > >> >>>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > >> >>>Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.3 - Release Date: 12/14/2004 > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>>_______________________________________________ > > >> >>>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>please visit: > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >>>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>_______________________________________________ > > >> >>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >> >>please visit: > > >> >>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >>_______________________________________________ > > >> >>To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >please visit: > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >>http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >_______________________________________________ > > >> >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >> please visit: > > >> >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >> please visit: > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> > > >> --- > > >> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > >> Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 12/9/2004 > > >> > > >> > > >> --- > > >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > >> Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 12/9/2004 > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > >> please visit: > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
