Well, if you don't think there's any "weight" to what I'm saying, this
discussion is futile (like the MOTD one you weighed in on when you
didn't believe someone when they said it wasn't possible to implement a
system that someone had suggested!)
Suffice to say, in our gaming environment, it is not our right to ban
users however we see fit. Users do have rights. The reasons behind this
are boring and completely off topic for this list.
If there's no way to play old demos (the original point of this thread),
then there's no way, and (as per my last post) we'll display some
adaptability to work around that.
-- david
---- Original Message ----
From: "Clayton Macleod" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] Force demo playback?
I understand the other side of the story as you see it, just fine, but
I definitely don't think there's any weight to it. You're acting as if
the general public has the right to be on any server they want to go
on, when they don't. You can ban someone just for having too many L's
in their name, doesn't matter. It's your right to ban anyone as you
see fit. They have no rights whatsoever, why you think they do is
beyond me.
The network protocol changes sometimes, and that's never going to go
away. Live with it. It's your only choice anyways.
On 5/30/05, David Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
We know that's what _you'd_ do, and most other people running one,
or a handful of servers, but we're running hundreds of game servers
for a large company and we don't have the liberty of just ignoring
people when they lodge an inquiry about the status of their ban. If
we do, they go to the parent company and start all kinds of
complaint processes rolling about how they were unfairly banned.
Again, yes, this isn't an issue for the majority of server
maintainers. I'm glad its not an issue for you. But it IS an issue
for us. You've just repeated the same things over and over - that
you don't see why they need to be kept, or whatever. But even if you
don't understand or believe us, just assume, for the sake of
argument, they do need to be kept.
Whisper's flying-off-the-handle comments aside - we rely on those
demos to be able to conclusively shut down users that complain about
being banned unfairly (in fact, its one of the more sweet aspects of
the job - when a user insists that he wasn't cheating and you supply
a demo that clearly shows that he was, and then you get the story
about his "little brother" or neighbour or whoever - everyone has
been there).
Demo viewing is a core part of how our servers are moderated. In the
continued absence of an anti-cheating solution it is one of the most
effective way to keep cheats and troublemakers out of the servers.
However, as they can no longer be played for technical reasons and it
doesn't seem likely that this can be corrected we'll simply have to
investigate other avenues of dealing with this problem (rendering
them to AVI isn't really going to happen, we have more than ten
thousand records of this type that we'd have to go through - not to
mention the disk space that would be required).
Anyway, I think this conversation has been done to death.
-- trog
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