so you were swearing at VAC and all the staff at Valve (with the exception
of Alfred) for something that Valve is totally unresponsible for cause your
plugins function correctly as they were written to do, and you simply had
not properly configured them? least you could do is apologize to Valve for
the stuff u called em, instead of making lame excuses about your sleeping
patterns. sheesh.

If mani is anything like beetlemod there's several reasons it can ban
people, not just the built in 'anti-cheat'. Beetle can be set to kick or ban
for too many tk's, can be set to ban for too many times being kicked. Peeps
can be auto-kicked if afk too many rounds, and if ban-for-x-kicks is set,
they can get banned for being afk-kicked too many times. Clearly you do not
have it configured properly. As for hlstatsx showing the ban as a VAC ban,
that is incorrect. Why does it do that? Well you'd have to go ask the peeps
who wrote that addon. The server logs do not lie, and do not show a VAC ban.

Phoenix's statements might seem harsh, but they are correct. If your first
reaction is to start swearing at him, making fun of his name etc. you
certainly belong on the Steam forums along with the rest of the twits there,
not here spamming everyone's mailboxes with your rubbish.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [hlds] can hlstatsx ban ppl???? coz i think it told vac to do
so (logs contained)


> hey this noob had been up for 24 hours and when i wrote that i was
> passing out. I might not be good at this kinda stuff but hey i do it for
> fun. Mebbe you might wanna try the same kind of dedication i put in when
> you have a problem. All i wanna do is learn and get better and working
> with srcds. I am shocked that some of the ppl in this list can be so
> arrogant and selfish. I'm not 15 and i've been on this list nearly a
> year. oh and i did fix it after 26 hours. i then slept for 3 and
> starting working on learning some more commands. i've now been up for 13
> hours and i'm passing out again.
>
> go fuck yourself pheonix. oh btw why do you have a girls name anyway?????
>
> Hell Phoenix wrote:
>
> > People must not be paying attention to this noob.  Those are the only
> > two plugins eh?  Then tell us why this line is in your log?
> >
> > L 03/19/2006 - 23:45:10: "Console<0><Console><Console>" say "Player [
> > {NQA:S} Malfurion *T* ] - zBlock Authenticated"
> >
> > This list is not meant to cater to people who join and straight away say
> > that we are all idiots.  Good way of getting help.  Also a great way of
> > getting help is to swear in all your posts, makes people really want to
> > help a 15 year old.  GG!  =/
> >
> > David Williams wrote:
> >
> >> well the only mods/plugns i have are mani beta L and hlstats. Since i
> >> posted the logs i have rechecked all the possible ban list's and come
up
> >> with nothing. And hlstats is definielty reporting a vac ban. so all i
> >> can say is wtf and if it's not a vac ban and i am postivie it's not my
> >> plugins so what is it
> >>
> >> Joshua Handelsman-Woolf (DogGunn) wrote:
> >>
> >>> --
> >>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> >>> It looks like something else is banning him, not VAC. Must be some
> >>> random
> >>> plugin. But you said earlier that he could play for a bit, and then
VAC
> >>> would kick him. That sounds a bit like a VAC ban.
> >>>
> >>> Hello trog :)
> >>>
> >>> On 3/20/06, David Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> >>>> --
> >>>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]
> >>>> the log for the original instance is
> >>>> http://www.noquestionsasked.co.uk/downloads/l0319075.log this
> >>>> contains 2
> >>>> instances for 2 seperate ppl (1 each)
> >>>>
> >>>> then it repeats but instead of 5 min bans they become permenant
> >>>>
> >>>> <http://www.noquestionsasked.co.uk/downloads/l0319075.log>here's the
> >>>> log
> >>>> of the second instance.
> >>>>
> >>>> L 03/19/2006 - 23:38:45: "{NQA:S} Malfurion
> >>>> *T*<54><STEAM_0:0:2237506><CT>" disconnected (reason "{NQA:S}
> >>>> Malfurion
> >>>> *T* timed out")
> >>>> L 03/19/2006 - 23:39:39: "{NQA:S} Malfurion
> >>>> *T*<62><STEAM_ID_PENDING><>"
> >>>> connected, address "222.153.231.100:10661"
> >>>> L 03/19/2006 - 23:39:39: "{NQA:S} Malfurion
> >>>> *T*<62><STEAM_0:0:2237506><>" disconnected (reason "STEAM UserID
> >>>> STEAM_0:0:2237506 is banned")
> >>>>
> >>>> [at this point problem had been brought to my attention and i check
> >>>> the
> >>>> ban_list.cfg file and removed 2 entries which had magically appeared]
> >>>>
> >>>> L 03/19/2006 - 23:43:56: "gapontiac97<63><STEAM_ID_PENDING><>"
> >>>> connected, address "172.131.229.68:27005"
> >>>> L 03/19/2006 - 23:43:58: "gapontiac97<63><STEAM_0:0:10570579><>"
STEAM
> >>>> USERID validated
> >>>> L 03/19/2006 - 23:44:32: server_cvar: "mp_timelimit" "40"
> >>>> L 03/19/2006 - 23:44:32: CONSOLE :  System vote extended map by 20
> >>>> minutes
> >>>> L 03/19/2006 - 23:44:43: "{NQA:S} Malfurion
> >>>> *T*<64><STEAM_ID_PENDING><>"
> >>>> connected, address "222.153.231.100:10734"
> >>>> L 03/19/2006 - 23:44:45: "{NQA:S} Malfurion
> >>>> *T*<64><STEAM_0:0:2237506><>" STEAM USERID validated
> >>>> L 03/19/2006 - 23:45:03: "{NQA:S} Malfurion
> >>>> *T*<64><STEAM_0:0:2237506><>" entered the game
> >>>> L 03/19/2006 - 23:45:10: "Console<0><Console><Console>" say "Player [
> >>>> {NQA:S} Malfurion *T* ] - zBlock Authenticated"
> >>>> L 03/19/2006 - 23:45:13: "{NQA:S} Malfurion
> >>>> *T*<64><STEAM_0:0:2237506><Unassigned>" joined team "CT"
> >>>> L 03/19/2006 - 23:45:15: World triggered "Game_Commencing"
> >>>> L 03/19/2006 - 23:45:18:
> >>>> "{NQA:S}|M3PH|*cl*<38><STEAM_0:0:2411455><TERRORIST>" triggered
> >>>> "Got_The_Bomb"
> >>>> L 03/19/2006 - 23:45:22: World triggered "Round_Start"
> >>>>
> >>>> now it does it again but leave no entry in the banned_user.cfg and
> >>>> here
> >>>> is where we are now
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ook wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Can you post the logs here? I'd (and I'm sure others) would like to
> >>>>> see
> >>>>> them. By examining the logs, we might be able to shed some light on
> >>>>> this
> >>>>> mystery.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "David Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>> To: <[email protected]>
> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:48 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] can hlstatsx ban ppl???? coz i think it told vac
> >>>>> to do
> >>>>> so
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> that is correct, we tested it. Also if he restarts steam he can
join
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> for
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> a lil while before vac kicks him. of ig he joins then leaves
> >>>>>> straight
> >>>>>> away he won't get back in. anyone else think this is strange.
> >>>>>> Also if
> >>>>>> there is nothing we can do valve just lost a valuable customer (but
> >>>>>> aren't customers valuable???) and before you ask i am positive it
> >>>>>> is a
> >>>>>> vac ban. i had my host check the logs twice after i had 3 times
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ook wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> He is only VAC banned from your server? He can play on other VAC
> >>>>>>> enabled
> >>>>>>> servers?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "David Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>>>> To: <[email protected]>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:19 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] can hlstatsx ban ppl???? coz i think it told
> >>>>>>> vac
> >>>>>>> to do
> >>>>>>> so
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ok i can understand that ook. I just think it's wrong that again
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> valve
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> has released a product that is unfinished/sub standard and banned
> >>>>>>>> someone for just being shit. Also i did check the list on the
> >>>>>>>> hlstats
> >>>>>>>> website and the user in question is not listed there but is
> >>>>>>>> listed in
> >>>>>>>> the vac bans section of the control panel. also interestingly
> >>>>>>>> he is
> >>>>>>>> only
> >>>>>>>> vac banned from my server. which i think is extremely wierd
> >>>>>>>> becasue a
> >>>>>>>> vac ban is system wide is it not? so can some one explain that
> >>>>>>>> away
> >>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>> me.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> and finally a parting shot to all those assholes that said the
ban
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> was
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> deserved. Wait till it happens to you and see how i laugh. (I
> >>>>>>>> won't
> >>>>>>>> swear again but insert expletives here about 10 will do)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ook wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> If VAC is reporting the ban, then you have to talk to Valve. But
> >>>>>>>>> don't
> >>>>>>>>> hold
> >>>>>>>>> your breath until they do something about it. No matter what the
> >>>>>>>>> reason,
> >>>>>>>>> your friend is pretty much screwed if VAC is reporting the ban.
> >>>>>>>>> However,
> >>>>>>>>> this has nothing to do with hlstatsx.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>> From: "David Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 5:42 PM
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] can hlstatsx ban ppl???? coz i think it
> >>>>>>>>> told vac
> >>>>>>>>> to do
> >>>>>>>>> so
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> i was playing with him at the time he was banned. at first the
> >>>>>>>>>> ban was
> >>>>>>>>>> only server based but once we deleted the entriesa couple of
> >>>>>>>>>> times vac
> >>>>>>>>>> was reporting it. I personally can not stand hackers/cheaters i
> >>>>>>>>>> think
> >>>>>>>>>> they are worse than scum so he is innocent
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Ook wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> hlstatx does not tell VAC to ban someone. If he got banned by
> >>>>>>>>>>> VAC, he
> >>>>>>>>>>> probably deserved it. If he is truely innocent, and VAC has
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> falsely
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> banned
> >>>>>>>>>>> yet another person, then your friend is screwed. He will
> >>>>>>>>>>> need to
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> go
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> and buy
> >>>>>>>>>>> another key.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Did VAC ban him, or is he just banned form the server itself?
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hlstatsx
> >>>>>>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>>>> ban people from the server, and there are a couple of settings
> >>>>>>>>>>> that can
> >>>>>>>>>>> control this.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.hlstatsx.com/faq#p6
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: "David Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 4:52 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [hlds] can hlstatsx ban ppl???? coz i think it told
> >>>>>>>>>>> vac
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> to
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> do so
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> on my post about hlstatsx, yeah i did my webadmin "forgot"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to do
> >>>>>>>>>>>> it. but
> >>>>>>>>>>>> now i have a new problem with it. IT TOLD VAC TO BAN ONE OF
MY
> >>>>>>>>>>>> CLAN
> >>>>>>>>>>>> MEMBERS FOR CHEATING. and trust me if you saw him play you
> >>>>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>> laugh
> >>>>>>>>>>>> he sucks so hard. there is no way he cheats and valve
> >>>>>>>>>>>> policy is
> >>>>>>>>>>>> not to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> lift any vac bans. WTF DO WE DO. coz i am not goin to put the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> server
> >>>>>>>>>>>> into insecure mode and let all the loser who do cheat play
> >>>>>>>>>>>> on my
> >>>>>>>>>>>> precious.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think this could be one for alfred
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ook wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This happens in hlstats if you don't have the server entered
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> admin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> setup, or if the server game/ip is wrong. Have you gone into
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> admin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> setup via
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the web page and setup a server for it to use?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you ask in the hlstatsx forum?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "David Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 10:26 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [hlds] hlstatsx and cs:s
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hey guys i really need some help here. I'm spend 4 hours
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> my
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> admin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> team trying to install hlstatsx. We got it all on no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> problems
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> everythng looked good to go with no problems. except when
we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> start up
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the gameserver we get the following error
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> E997: UNRECOGNIZED SERVER:     RL 0.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we have no idea why. I'm using the latest beta of srcds and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> also the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> latest beter of mani. The error seems quite common but
after
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> around the forums using google i can't find anything that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> match's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> our
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem. Can anyone help i've put an example of the logs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> below.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2006-03-19 17:50:12:   87.117.195.31:27001 - E997:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> UNRECOGNIZED
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SERVER:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   RL 0
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3/19/2006 - 17:50:18: server_message: "quit"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2006-03-19 17:50:14:   87.117.195.31:27001 - E997:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> UNRECOGNIZED
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SERVER:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   RL 0
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3/19/2006 - 17:50:18: Log file closed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2006-03-19 17:50:14:   87.117.195.31:27001 - E997:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> UNRECOGNIZED
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SERVER:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   RL 0
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3/19/2006 - 17:50:18: server_message: "restart"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2006-03-19 17:50:14:   87.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the logs are transfering and we can't honestly see why it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> work.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has anyone met this error using hlstatsx?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> let me know as i've spend now almost 5 hours on this and
i'm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> patient person.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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