-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] "not all that important to have" is not the same as "You don't need it", which was your position earlier.
I've already given a situation where Mint Clan needed it, and as I said before it's better to give an admin a feature they can make use of as they want and let the player choose to play on servers where the features are used in a way they like than take the feature out because you're not happy with the way people want to use it on their servers. If you can show me a SIMPLE way to redirect players to a Linux server running a mod when the latest steam update has broken the mod providing the central game play offered by the windows server, then I'll start to believe it isn't all that important, otherwise, given that the last update broke ZombieMod on Windows, it's definitely on my list of needed features. > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlds] > Valve...can we get the connect command for redirect in SCRDS?> Date: Mon, 18 > Dec 2006 19:11:09 +0100> > --> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative > ]> I do give a crap about admin problems and alike, if I didn't I wouldn't > have> been 1 of the co-authors of zBlock, among a crapload of other stuff. > IMO;> it's important to not have the feature from a player's point of view, > and> it's not all that important to have the feature from a server admin > point of> view.> > On 12/18/06, Newbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > --> > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]> > The guy speaks from the > player's POV and simply doesn't give a thing about> > admins' problems like > servers migration or load balancing.> >> > Newbie> >> > -----Original > Message-----> >> > From: "Roman Hatsiev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >> > To: > [email protected]> >> > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:42:43 +0300> >> > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve...can we get the connect command for redirect in> > > SCRDS?> >> >> >> >> > Now I see. There must be only two opinions about > everything - yours> >> > and wrong one. Let me stick to the wrong one please > as I'm pretty> >> > happy with it :)> >> >> >> > On 18/12/06, Wim Barelds > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > > --> >> > > [ Picked text/plain from > multipart/alternative ]> >> > > You don't need it either, plus pretty much > every player that ever> >> > > gets redirected finds it annoying as fuck. I'm > not saying you couldn't> >> > > find ways to use/abuse it, I'm sure you could > and would. But you don't> >> > > need it.> >> > >> >> > > On 12/18/06, Roman > Hatsiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > > >> >> > > > Looks like your only > argument presented in different wordings is "I> >> > > > don't need it, ". > The fact that you don't need this tool or don't know> >> > > > how to > properly apply this tool does not make it less valuable to> >> > > > other > admins. And I'm not going to waste my time convincing you that> >> > > > you > need it because with your single server you don't :)> >> > > >> >> > > > On > 18/12/06, Wim Barelds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > > > > --> >> > > > > [ > Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]> >> > > > > Regulars knew the > domain name, and it was no problem at all.> >> > > > > I did not see any kind > of player drop on our server when we> >> > > > > relocated.> >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > "(would you rather join an empty or populated server?)."> >> > > > > > I would rather join a populated server, which I would expect to> >> > > > > > join when I do.> >> > > > >> >> > > > > > "I think by load balancing it's > more meant to keep the two or> >> > > > > > more servers full.. (correct me > if I'm wrong)."> >> > > > > Do you actually play this game? You barely, if > ever, get moved> >> > > > > to a server worth while. Either the server is > empty, has some> >> > > > > fucked up gameplay mods, or has piranesi kind of > map. No> >> > > > > thanks.> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > On 12/18/06, > Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > Oppss> > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > I meant:> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > Once the > client resolves an IP to that subdomain, the client saves> > the> >> > > > > IP> >> > > > > > addy in it's favourites and not the domain name.> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > -----Original Message-----> >> > > > > > From: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris> > > Barnett> >> > > > > > Sent: 18 December 2006 01:32> >> > > > > > To: > [email protected]> >> > > > > > Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve...can we > get the connect command for> >> > > > redirect in> >> > > > > > SCRDS?> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > Automatic server redirects are gone for > good. As an admin that> > never> >> > > > > > abused> >> > > > > > them, I'm > quite angry at those that did. Such people even used to> > brag> >> > > > on> > >> > > > > > various forums that their servers were full, but at whose > expense?> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > I hope some kind of redirect that asks > the user, will be> > implemented.> >> > > > As> >> > > > > > for> >> > > > > > > using a sub-domain for a server, it doesn't work...once the client> >> > > > > > > resolves> >> > > > > > an IP to that subdomain, the client saves the IP > addy in it's> >> > > > favourites> >> > > > > > and> >> > > > > > not the IP > address.> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > Chris.> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> >> > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wim> > Barelds> >> > > > > > > Sent: 18 December 2006 00:39> >> > > > > > To: [email protected]> > >> > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve...can we get the connect command for> > >> > > > redirect in> >> > > > > > SCRDS?> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > --> >> > > > > > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ]> >> > > > > > > > Seems like you never had an experience of migrating your servers> > to> >> > > > > > > > another ISP. Not to mention other cases when redirection can be> > > very> >> > > > > > > useful - load balancing and promoting new server just to > name a> > few.> >> > > > > > > Fortunately, as far as I know, Mani promised > to restore this> >> > > > > > > functionality in next version of his mod.> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > I sure did, you should consider getting a subdomain > to refer to> > your> >> > > > > > server.> >> > > > > > I had > "deathmatch.BoooM.co.uk", when we needed to "change IP", we> >> > > > > > > could do that without any problem at all. "Load balancing"? Are> > you> >> > > > > > > kidding?> >> > > > > > If a server can't handle 18 players, it should > simply not have 18> >> > > > slots,> >> > > > > > there> >> > > > > > is no > problem here. "Promoting new servers"? Why? Why should these> >> > > > > > > servers get any additional promotion over any other new server out> >> > > > > there?> >> > > > > > If the server is good, it'll get it's own crowd.> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > On 12/17/06, [GS]Admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----> >> > > > > > > > From: "Thortok2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, > December 17, 2006 5:54 AM> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > What I'd like to > see: In the 'this server is full,> > auto-retry'> >> > > > dialog> >> > > > > > > > > box,> >> > > > > > > > have a 'this server recommends' and have a > button to push to> > go> > to> >> > > > the> >> > > > > > > > server it > recommends. Also, if you attempt to connect to the> >> > > > server> >> > > > > > > and> >> > > > > > > > they don't want you playing there, it could be a > 'this server> > is> >> > > > > > closed,> >> > > > > > > > go> >> > > > > > > > > here instead, please update your favorites' and again have the> >> > > > > button.> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Automatically redirecting > you...no, I don't like that, I don't> >> > > > like> >> > > > > > that> >> > > > > > > > > at> >> > > > > > > > all.> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > I > actually like this idea and think it should be> > implemented.Thenyou> >> > > > > > > > could> >> > > > > > > have a cvar kinda like the fast download in > your server.cfgwhich> >> > > > you> >> > > > > > > could> >> > > > > > > > advertise for friendly servers or yours or even other servers> > you> >> > > > > own.Or> >> > > > > > > make it to where gaming communites could put > multiple servers in> >> > > > there> >> > > > > > and> >> > > > > > > it > would advertise what map and how many players are on it with> > join> >> > > > > > > > buttons> >> > > > > > > along side them.Basically you could make a > community over view> > join> >> > > > > > > button.The reason I like it is > because of how many people go "oh> > I> >> > > > > > didn't> >> > > > > > > > know you had that server!"> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > And Frazer what > you said was just funny.But you have a point.But> > it> >> > > > > > would> > >> > > > > > > be> >> > > > > > > nice to have the ability.Or maybe even put > it into another tab,> > like> >> > > > you> >> > > > > > > have the recent > servers make a list from that server config file> >> > > > that> >> > > > > > > > lists> >> > > > > > > in blue offset alittle the other servers they > suggest.Like upto> > 10> >> > > > > > servers> >> > > > > > > or something to > that effect.Just my $.02 .> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > -BeNt-> >> > > > > > > > http://www.gorillazsouth.com [http://www.gorillazsouth.com/]> >> > > > > > > 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