-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] > > It was a busy and windy week here at Valve. As most of the community knows > by now, last week a major windstorm hit the greater Seattle area. Power > outages are fairly common in the area, but the magnitude of this storm > knocked out our datacenter, resulting in about 20 hours Steam interruption. > This was very frustrating for everyone here and we know it was frustrating > for you as well. We learned a lot and are taking steps to make sure that > when the next storm like this hits our area 15-20 years from now *fingers > crossed*, people will still be playing games on Steam while we are buying > flashlight batteries. >
Looks like Valve are going to do something a bit more substantive than just protect their power supply. I could be wrong, but that is how I read this statement. On 12/22/06, Adam Sando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ARP/broadcast rules, especially when you have a customer whose network > see's over 200mbps of it on a regular basis. Although pumping out 2Gbps > out the wire to the internet does bring with it some networking > "overhead" ;) > > The more hosts you have, and the bigger the subnets these machines live > on, the more crazy ARP traffic you see. Who needs VLAN's these days > anyway hehe ;) > > Regards, > Adam. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Luna > Sent: Friday, 22 December 2006 3:20 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts > > > We may be saying the same thing. In a network comprised of 3 hubs (2 > uplinks) all Ethernet traffic is offered to all ports on all hubs but on > the same network using 3 switches, Ethernet traffic destined for a > specific host (port) on switch 3 will only be presented to that port. > Broadcasts are presented to the entire network in all cases. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Whisper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:31 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts > > > -- > > [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] That is very bad > > The point of running a switch in the first place is to microsegment your > network so every port becomes a collision domain. > Where is that guy with then CCNA when you need him. > > Collisions are not the problem anyhow on switched Ethernet networks, it > is broadcasts. > > On 12/22/06, Edward Luna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I agree that switches are a technical leap forward from hubs but to > > say hubs "suck" is to say networks sucked before switches were > > prevalent and that simply is not true. Although there are numerous > > differences between switches and hubs (especially managed switches) > > the most striking performance factor is that switches keep track of > > hosts relative to MAC address and discriminate between nodes while > > hubs present all Ethernet traffic to all hosts on the network. This > > feature of switches is essential in larger networks (say 48 hosts and > > up with heavy Ethernet traffic) in order to limit "collisions", but of > > > absolutely no consequence in a small network. With today's super > > smart switches, collisions may have been eliminated entirely... I'm > > not certain of that however, anyone who has managed an Ethernet > > network with over 48 hosts is well aware of the performance > > degradation caused by collisions in networks with hubs. Rule of > > thumb... large network use switches; small network, a hub will be fine > (if you can even find one anymore hehehe). > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: chad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 6:35 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Post-outage thoughts > > > > > > HUBS suck for more than 2 computers, and cost more than switches as > > you cannot get them new anymore at stores. > > however hubs are perfect for packet sniffing, and extending a cable > > past the recommended cable max length, other than that they are not > > economical, or sensible. > > that said I just got a hub for sniffing and extending cables if need > be. > > > > is undetectable packet sniffing on switched networks easy (without > > managed switches) > > > > Hexis wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 08:53:20AM +0000, Gigabit Nick wrote: > > > > > >> Most modern ADSL/Wireless routers have auto sensing non-manageable > > >> switches in them because the hardware is cheap and packet sniffing > > >> made people wary of hubs. > > >> > > > > > > Not so much. Hubs offer less performance due to their nature. At > > > this point there is little or no advantage to a hub over a switch, > > > and significant disabvantages. The market has migrated to small > > > unmanaged switches being the norm for home networking. Now it will > > > cost you more to buy a hub instead of a switch. Hubs have become > > > speciality items for specific purposes. > > > > > > That and packet sniffing on a switched network is pretty trivial. > > > Not as simple as on a hub, but still quite easy. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > -- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
