-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] really... 'shut the front door' already
for the 602 time.. :p ----- Original Message ---- From: larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:54:21 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements What's the chance of kicking this Barnett guy off the list? Seems we get idiots like him once a year and have to suffer through their adolescent view of things, it gets tiresome. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [email protected] Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:06:12 +0100 >"Most of the last updates" > >Most. That means. Most of the last updates Valve released as beta for their >own interests. Not yours or mine. When Valve thinks they can get away with >it, when it doesn't bring down most servers or piss off the army of 13 year >olds who'll flood their helpdesks, they'll just hoist it upon us with no >beta. > >Don't believe me? You get Alfred to commit to betas 100% percent on all >released binaries. You won't, because his firm isn't interested in investing >any time on anything no matter how small, that just benefits the server >admin guys. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Morton >Sent: 17 October 2007 12:33 >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements > >Uhh am I missing something? > >Most of the last updates have been pre-released early as 'beta' and can be >updated via -beta on the command line! Usually a week before proper >release.. > >Tom > >-------------------------------------------------- >From: "Chris Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:26 PM >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: RE: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements > >> When it suited them. When the project was so big they wanted the stats >> back. >> They did because they needed the communities help. >> >> When they no longer need our help, they'll be releasing the binaries with >> no >> betas. >> >> Remember the variable weapon prices in Counter-Strike source? Everyone >> told >> me to shut up and that Valve had introduced betas finally. I was even >> stupid >> enough to thank Valve, even though they had made no formal promises that >> everything would be released as beta in future. >> >> Within weeks, they was back to their old ways. Hoisting brand new binaries >> as live and servers were left broken. >> >> So it doesn't matter how many times they did do a beta, it's all the times >> they didn't. >> >> If you want to put a smile on my face, get Alfred to commit to betas 100% >> of >> the time. That all future binaries will be released as beta first. >> >> Chris. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cc2iscooL >> Sent: 17 October 2007 12:11 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements >> >> -- >> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >> I don't know if you remember, but they have done beta releases many times >> in >> the past, usually done with a -beta[number] command added to the update >> tool's arguments. >> >> On 10/17/07, Chris Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Duke, >>> >>> I'm glad you're getting what you want. But at the end of the day, if >>> Valve >>> just hoisst the server binaries on us, without a beta, then it's >>> thousands >>> of people who can put out when it all goes tits up. I've been asking for >>> anywhere between a year and 2 years now, for a simple system, where they >>> release a binary as beta, then as live two weeks later. >>> >>> Chris. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LDuke >>> Sent: 17 October 2007 02:36 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements >>> >>> -- >>> [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] >>> Mike Durand has been more than helpful with all of the files he's made >>> available at different times based on many specific requests in the >>> hlcoders >>> list. Valve didn't have to release anything before the SDK is ready to >>> release, but they did. >>> >>> On 10/16/07, Spencer 'voogru' MacDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> > >>> > "Be careful about the beta programme stuff. Valve have not implemented >>> any >>> > beta programme to help anyone. They did it with TFC2 for their own >>> > marketing >>> > reasons and to help themselves and not us." >>> > >>> > I guess that's why they released the SDK header files early for us so >>> > we >>> > could get to work on server mods right away, nah that wasn't supposed >>> > to >>> > help us at all. >>> > >>> > :rolleyes: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >>> >> -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >_______________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >please visit: >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > >_______________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please >visit: >http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.coleresources.com _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ____________________________________________________________________________________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! 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