Quit the personal stuff please. 1) While E.A and all the rest of them can release utter total shite, the server operator is not left with either having to upgrade to said shite or look at an empty server. Because of the way Steam works, 99.9% of the clients get said shite, within the hour. Within about 2-3 hours a server is empty. Empty server = useless piece of casing, contributing to global warming...That can be avoided with a 100% beta - Steam is then perfect in the eyes of a server operator. Because the server operator knows what knows what's going to hit him in 2 weeks time and he has 2 weeks to sort himself out. If he can't, then I'm sure a third party coder like Mani, Beetle or L.Duke would come to our rescue, like they normally do.
2) This isn't "OMFG Valve are crap". This isn't "OMFG Steam is crap" - Steam is lovely. It really is. I love it. Both ends of it. I will now ONLY buy my games through Steam. So I am sorry to disappoint you. I'm not anti-Valve in the slightest. I just capable of using the brain on my head for independent thought and any number of issues. As for "Demand". You are obviously taking things way too personally especially considering you have nothing to do with Valve. A lot of us "Demanded" a response from Valve on a totally separate issue...the delisting of servers over 24 slots. Buy hey, you've obviously read something else that I've posted that's offended you and in the red mist, you've gone for me on this subject, conflating it with something else.... Oh and as for help on this list. I asked Valve a long time ago NICELY for a full blown beta. This isn't a revelation that I had 3 days ago. I'm not being rude with Valve. It's a fact. They can't be bothered to run a beta 100% of the time. Now I think that one of your requests to Valve be unreasonable. I would argue the case as to why, without having to resort to nothing else but "Valve do more than any other company" as my argument. The fact of the matter is that a 100% beta, with a 2 week cycle would solve a hell of a lot of the problems that server operators get. That's a lot of hours saved, for an hour of Valves time on each go round. Oh and before anyone says "You keep going on and on about it..." Well, yeah, I do alright. But that's only because people are trying to counter-argue with real lame personal B.S., with a bit of "You're anti-Valve" smeared in. Chris. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Big Bad Sent: 18 October 2007 00:41 To: [email protected] Subject: Fwd: [hlds] Valve's Lack of Announcements -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] We subscribed to the list before you young man dont lecture the old hands on how it works :> Your arguments are adolescent, your toys have come flying out of the pram so fast they have hit everyone on the head several times and are now starting to hurt! Yes that is unreasonible, did you pay for the hlds or srcds code? have you read the licence docs? Being this hard working experenced server operator who can fit in 50 posts worth of arguments im sure you have! The dedicated server software is free, you pay for the client, valve from the word go chose these specific settings that were locked. Some clever folk "unlocked" them, valve no likey this so they filter it out. Or do we need to get our crayons out? :) Valve do far more in return than any other company I know, your "I dont give a toss about EA" to someone else earlier on...well if you did then you would know most companies bundle out the dedicated files, half the time you have to upload your own game to finish the build and after 2 patches your on your own. Complete with exploits and hacks that easily crash servers... the reply is buy Elite Fighting Combat similiator 3 next year it will be fixed in that. So no I dont think valve owe us anything, if anything I and a lot of people are greatful for the time and effort people like alfred and jason do constantly listening to the "actual" problems not make believe problems your flooding us with! That of course is if you can ask for help nicely instead of demanding answers you might have got an answer after one post without all this unpleasnt stuff! Then again thats what using forums instead of mailing lists does to ya! :) -----Original Message----- You subscribed to the list. You read an argument you don't have an answer for. You call it tiresome and ask for someone to be kicked off the list, with a personal insult, stating my argument is "adolescent". Sorry. It is not. It's perfectly reasonable to ask Valve to do a little, in return for it's customers saving a lot of time. It's really simple. 30 minutes to an hour extra of Valves time, that would save thousands of operators a lot of time over the years. Chris. -- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
