No. It's right here - Unless you know of another place where we dedicated server operators are supposed to express our concerns and experiences.
I still have no idea how people can actually *defend* valve. They are NOT in a defensible position. They need to stop adding new perks/content, making new achievements and what not and *FIX THESE GLARING BUGS* that make the serverops look bad. We are here. We are *SUPPORTING VALVE* by providing places for people to use their products. We want to CONTINUE to do so. But they're making it tough. It's frustrating to see a loaded server of people enjoying TF2 only to have it clean out when this bug hits. Sometimes we'll invite a couple of people to get it going again only to have the same bug hit 2 maps later. Sometimes right on the next map! I've seen this bug hit 3 map changes in a row. I have to justify my extra expenses for these game servers/pipes to my wife. I expect the most for my time, money and resources and expect nothing less from Valve. Credit where credit is due, they are true visionaries in this field - but their image is being tarnished by the poor quality of their code, lack of PR and their seemingly non-existent QA. Again, people call me a crybaby/whiner/whatever - I don't care, sticks and stones and all that. How I feel won't change, and how I express myself won't change either. We NEED valve to deliver a fix for this. As a career engineer for nearly 20 years, if I were to deliver a product that broke under condition X 10% of the time, I'd be out of a job if I couldn't fix it quickly. Valve should be held to that standard. -Karl -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of msleeper Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 8:08 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 West Coast Issues [IMPORTANT] The Valve Bitch-And-Hate Mailing List is that way. --> On Mon, 2009-01-05 at 17:01 -0800, Blood Letter wrote: > But but! An admin from CircleX posts on this list and he said he runs > vanilla servers and is on the up and up! > (Too lazy to dig up the emails about it where I called him out on it and he > denied it.) > > It's jerks like those that make legit admins harder to come by, and the games > less fun. > > Valve has a responsibility to maintain the quality of game, and it sucks that > they don't in this case. > The security ramifications of the holes/bugs that some of these servers are > exploiting is far worse though. > > But hey, Valve doesn't give a rat's ass about server operators, why should > you expect them to give a rat's ass about people who have already paid for > the game? > > > Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:23:55 -0800 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 West Coast Issues [IMPORTANT] > > > > You can take Q off that list. Qosis closed Q today. > > http://theqclan.com/viewtopic.php?t=29762&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Randy W <[email protected]> > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 11:34:14 AM > > Subject: Re: [hlds] TF2 West Coast Issues [IMPORTANT] > > > > let me guess you are one of those people who use fake clients too? I would > > like to say first that *PAT* does NOT run any fake clients. We believe in > > playing by the rules. As you can see from the fake client thread we are not > > one of those clans: > > > > * > > > > - Lotus Clan > > - -Q- > > - ]TGP[ > > - CircleX > > - GTFO > > - Doorman is God > > - Steamfriends.com EU > > - OG > > - Mod.me > > - Ownage > > - SourceOP > > - Saigns > > - X-Factor Gaming (XFG) > > - LMF > > - Alpha Omega > > - sonsofsteel.de > > - -MCG- > > - DeX > > - Imperox > > - COTB > > - The Couch Online > > - Fragmasters > > > > *All of the above clans use fake player counts and they do deserve to be > > delisted, but let's keep that for a separate post. My server is run > > legitimately - no fake counts, etc - and there is no reason it should not be > > showing on the master server list. > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 11:27 AM, SakeFox <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > you guys haven't realized yet that valve has stopped caring about there > > > games? We have been waiting for over a month for a fix for tf2 hell > > > there are still some bugs from the beta that they still haven't fixed. I > > > used to monitor my little bug list in the forums, but patch after patch > > > maybe only 2-3 bugs would actually get fixed i started to realize valve > > > doesn't give a crap about how there games run and that became overly > > > noticed when they refuse to fix the map change error in TF2 and L4D. > > > > > > Valve will no reply to your issue nor do they care like they will not > > > reply to us about any other bug. just give up > > > > > > Steve wrote: > > > > I would like to know, too. I haven't had a problem with the list, but > > > > that would explain why my West coast Insurgency server has suddenly been > > > > unusually empty for about a week. It was #1 ranked last week, and now > > > > it's at #5 according to GameTracker. I know of one person on the East > > > > coast who reported being unable to see the server. > > > > > > > > Randy W wrote: > > > > > > > >> Is anyone else noticing issues with West Coast servers? There's only > > > ~150 - > > > >> 200 servers showing up for me on the West Coast, and over 1600 on the > > > East > > > >> Coast. Earlier the number jumped around between 50 and 200. I'm also > > > certain > > > >> this isn't an issue on my end, as other people I know are seeing the > > > same > > > >> issue. Some of my servers are appearing on the server list, then > > > >> disappearin, then re-appearing, etc. > > > >> > > > >> Really need some assistance here Valve, this has been happening all > > > weekend! > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _________________________________________________________________ > Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista®. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
