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Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:57:53 To: <[email protected]> Subject: hlds Digest, Vol 12, Issue 26 Send hlds mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of hlds digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: New to the server "community" . . . What have I gotten myself into? (Karl Weckstrom) 2. Re: New inexplicable rate restriction making 26x+ serverslaggy. (Justin) 3. Re: New inexplicable rate restriction making 26x+ serverslaggy. (Justin) 4. Re: New to the server "community" . . . What have I gotten myself into? (CLAN RCR) 5. Re: New to the server "community" . . . What have I gotten myself into? (CLAN RCR) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:51:40 -0500 From: Karl Weckstrom <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlds] New to the server "community" . . . What have I gotten myself into? To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii so, leave the group? You'll never change people. Why try? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of msleeper Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:37 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] New to the server "community" . . . What have I gotten myself into? My point is, how does this in any way related to server administration? This thread, like so much else here, is crap and spam. Not Sent from my iPhone iDon'tOwn On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 16:24 -0600, CLAN RCR wrote: > No. This thread is now about fake email addresses that appear to have a > relationships to software companies. > > -Matt > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:51 PM, msleeper <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Why are we discussing this, isn't there still plenty of arguing to do > > about the map change bug still? > > > > Sent from my PC > > > > > > On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 15:47 -0600, CLAN RCR wrote: > > > Out of everything you could have put though.. Why Valvesoftware.com@ etc.. > > > > > > Not to beat a seemingly dead horse, or over complicate the simple.. But > > > prior to you explaining why you do it, I just assumed you had some > > > affiliation with Valve.. > > > > > > Anyway, It's just an aesthetics.. But if it were me, I'd change it just > > so I > > > didn't have to keep explaining why I do it, or that I have no affiliation > > > with Valve. ..But like I said.. 'That's me'. > > > > > > -Matt > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Patrick Shelley <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > i must admit it has made me think in the past that your email address > > > > is from valve software. i agree you could have used hlds or similar. > > > > > > > > it makes you look like a 'wanna be' imho! > > > > > > > > On 04/02/2009, Mike Stiehm <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Just saying that when you use "valvesoftware.com" it could be miss > > > > > leading to some people. You can justify it anyway you would like. > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 4, 2009, at 1:42 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Why is that.. does the address make me seem like someone who gets > > > > >> their > > > > >> e-mail service from dynamicbits.com? > > > > >> > > > > >> When I start getting spam, I like to know where it originated. If it > > > > >> comes to xyzcomp...@*, then I suspect that either my address is > > > > >> publicly > > > > >> visible at their site, or they allowed my address to fall into the > > > > >> hand > > > > >> of spammers (either directly or indirectly). > > > > >> > > > > >> If you take a look at, for example, bugzilla.mozilla.org and look > > at > > > > >> the > > > > >> addresses in the CC list for a lot of the bugs, you'll find that the > > > > >> practice of using an address other than [email protected] is > > more > > > > >> common than you think. With proper filters in your e-mail client (if > > > > >> you > > > > >> use any), this practice shouldn't cause any problems. > > > > >> > > > > >> The fact is that I have neither done, nor attempted to do anything > > > > >> misleading, but I appreciate your opinion on the matter. Now, can we > > > > >> get > > > > >> back to a topic actually related to hlds? > > > > >> > > > > >> -- > > > > >> Andy > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 14:08:00 -0600, "Mike Stiehm" > > > > >> <[email protected]> > > > > >> said: > > > > >>> Your list name is a little miss leading > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Sent from my iPhone > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On Feb 3, 2009, at 1:56 PM, [email protected]: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> That is simply not true because a computer doesn't know if it is > > > > >>>> in a > > > > >>>> DMZ or not. An application can tell what connections are > > allowed/not > > > > >>>> allowed and *guess*, like uTorrent does, but that is about it. It > > > > >>>> almost > > > > >>>> seems as if whoever wrote that doesn't know what a DMZ is. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> -- > > > > >>>> Andy > > > > >> > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > > >> archives, please visit: > > > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > > > > please visit: > > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > > please visit: > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:54:11 -0500 From: Justin <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlds] New inexplicable rate restriction making 26x+ serverslaggy. To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 working as just as the same as manipulating packets to drive players onto my server. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:47 PM, msleeper <[email protected]> wrote: > So hey how are your nosteam and other hacks working? > > On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 07:15 -0500, Justin wrote: > > Yeah, also i wonder who likes joining servers saying 25 slots but there > > being nobody on.. > > > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 3:54 PM, 1nsane <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hahahaha. > > > > > > But seriously. This is getting very annoying. Who likes joining their > > > server > > > only to see people randomly screaming "FUCKING LAG"? > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Andreas Grimm <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hmmm ... > > > > It seems so, that the guy who had the idea of custom tabs is now > working > > > on > > > > network optimization... > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tony > Paloma > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 9:08 PM > > > > To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] New inexplicable rate restriction making 26x+ > > > > serverslaggy. > > > > > > > > Same here. There was never a problem until last update. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ronny > Schedel > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 2:26 AM > > > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] New inexplicable rate restriction making 26x+ > > > > serverslaggy. > > > > > > > > > > > > We never had this problem before the latest update. > > > > > > > > > > > > >I had this issue before the update but didnt notice it until I > turned > > > > >net_graph on to show choke, perhaps its been a bug longer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: Ryan Mannion <[email protected]> > > > > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:21:23 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] New inexplicable rate restriction making 26x+ > > > servers > > > > > laggy. > > > > > > > > > > I want to confirm that this patch has caused my 31-player servers > to > > > > > exhibit lag/warping players. All players can see the effects and > are > > > > > (understandably) very angry about it. net_graph 3 confirms frequent > > > > > high choke values (40-60) when they're typically 0 prior to the > patch. > > > > > FWIW, my sv_maxrate was 30000 before the patch and performance was > > > > > fine. > > > > > > > > > > Please address this issue (and the timeout bug, and the team change > > > bug)! > > > > > > > > > > Ryan > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Coldorak <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > >> I run a 27 players server (two hidden slots and sourcetv) and > > > yesterday > > > > I > > > > >> thought it was me who was laggy, even with my great internet > > > connection. > > > > >> So it would have been my TF2 server itself? > > > > >> > > > > >> Cold > > > > >> > > > > >> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Nephyrin Zey > > > > >> <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> Well i've been looking at it, and the combined in: and out: k/s > rates > > > > >>> never seen to hit 30... buuut, i'm getting a lot of 'faded' > colors on > > > > >>> the net graph and update rate is dropping way below 66 even > though > > > > >>> server is maintaining its FPS just fine. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> I'm assuming it's hitting its rate limit, but i could be > mistaken. > > > > >>> Valve, can you please take a look at this and give us word? > > > > >>> > > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, > > > > >>> please visit: > > > > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> -- > > > > >> http://www.coldfire.info > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > > >> please visit: > > > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > > > please visit: > > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > > > please visit: > > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > > please visit: > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > > please visit: > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > > please visit: > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:54:54 -0500 From: Justin <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlds] New inexplicable rate restriction making 26x+ serverslaggy. To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Manipulating packets as in fake player counts like most of you guys use. I swear valve needs to blacklist all your servers. On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Justin <[email protected]> wrote: > working as just as the same as manipulating packets to drive players onto > my server. > > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:47 PM, msleeper <[email protected]> wrote: > >> So hey how are your nosteam and other hacks working? >> >> On Wed, 2009-02-04 at 07:15 -0500, Justin wrote: >> > Yeah, also i wonder who likes joining servers saying 25 slots but there >> > being nobody on.. >> > >> > On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 3:54 PM, 1nsane <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > Hahahaha. >> > > >> > > But seriously. This is getting very annoying. Who likes joining their >> > > server >> > > only to see people randomly screaming "FUCKING LAG"? >> > > >> > > On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Andreas Grimm <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hmmm ... >> > > > It seems so, that the guy who had the idea of custom tabs is now >> working >> > > on >> > > > network optimization... >> > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: [email protected] >> > > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tony >> Paloma >> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 9:08 PM >> > > > To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' >> > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] New inexplicable rate restriction making 26x+ >> > > > serverslaggy. >> > > > >> > > > Same here. There was never a problem until last update. >> > > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: [email protected] >> > > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ronny >> Schedel >> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 2:26 AM >> > > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] New inexplicable rate restriction making 26x+ >> > > > serverslaggy. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > We never had this problem before the latest update. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >I had this issue before the update but didnt notice it until I >> turned >> > > > >net_graph on to show choke, perhaps its been a bug longer. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > ________________________________ >> > > > > From: Ryan Mannion <[email protected]> >> > > > > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> > > > > <[email protected]> >> > > > > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 1:21:23 AM >> > > > > Subject: Re: [hlds] New inexplicable rate restriction making 26x+ >> > > servers >> > > > > laggy. >> > > > > >> > > > > I want to confirm that this patch has caused my 31-player servers >> to >> > > > > exhibit lag/warping players. All players can see the effects and >> are >> > > > > (understandably) very angry about it. net_graph 3 confirms >> frequent >> > > > > high choke values (40-60) when they're typically 0 prior to the >> patch. >> > > > > FWIW, my sv_maxrate was 30000 before the patch and performance was >> > > > > fine. >> > > > > >> > > > > Please address this issue (and the timeout bug, and the team >> change >> > > bug)! >> > > > > >> > > > > Ryan >> > > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 1:02 AM, Coldorak <[email protected] >> > >> > > > wrote: >> > > > >> I run a 27 players server (two hidden slots and sourcetv) and >> > > yesterday >> > > > I >> > > > >> thought it was me who was laggy, even with my great internet >> > > connection. >> > > > >> So it would have been my TF2 server itself? >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Cold >> > > > >> >> > > > >> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Nephyrin Zey >> > > > >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> > > > >> >> > > > >>> Well i've been looking at it, and the combined in: and out: k/s >> rates >> > > > >>> never seen to hit 30... buuut, i'm getting a lot of 'faded' >> colors on >> > > > >>> the net graph and update rate is dropping way below 66 even >> though >> > > > >>> server is maintaining its FPS just fine. >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> I'm assuming it's hitting its rate limit, but i could be >> mistaken. >> > > > >>> Valve, can you please take a look at this and give us word? >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > > > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> > > archives, >> > > > >>> please visit: >> > > > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > > >>> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> -- >> > > > >> http://www.coldfire.info >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> > > > >> please visit: >> > > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> > > > > please visit: >> > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> > > > > please visit: >> > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> > > > please visit: >> > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> > > > please visit: >> > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list >> archives, >> > > > please visit: >> > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > > please visit: >> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:55:57 -0600 From: CLAN RCR <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlds] New to the server "community" . . . What have I gotten myself into? To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ...no ..no It's not 'crap or spam' until somebody declares that "The thread is now about bacon!" and proceeds to post links to pictures of bacon bras and the like. Until then, the thread is just simmering in limbo waiting for somebody to pick up the pieces and make a relevant post, complete with a point, and devoid of repeat information. Would you like to be that person? Anyway, If someone has a relevant post, I'm all ears. Unfortunately, complaining about relevancy is just as bad as posting an irrelevant post. It's just that blatantly irreverent posters of irrelevant posts will admit that their posts are irrelevant, and aren't trying to hide their relevancy within a shroud of complacency. At least, that's how it appears to me. Happy days, broheim. :-) -Matt On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:37 PM, msleeper <[email protected]> wrote: > My point is, how does this in any way related to server administration? > This thread, like so much else here, is crap and spam. > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:57:51 -0600 From: CLAN RCR <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlds] New to the server "community" . . . What have I gotten myself into? To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Erm, 'irreverent posters' was suppose to be 'irrelevant posters' Anyway, It's 5-o-clock, so I'm society's problem now! Huzzah! -Matt On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:55 PM, CLAN RCR <[email protected]> wrote: > ..no ..no It's not 'crap or spam' until somebody declares that "The thread > is now about bacon!" and proceeds to post links to pictures of bacon bras > and the like. Until then, the thread is just simmering in limbo waiting for > somebody to pick up the pieces and make a relevant post, complete with a > point, and devoid of repeat information. > > Would you like to be that person? > > Anyway, If someone has a relevant post, I'm all ears. Unfortunately, > complaining about relevancy is just as bad as posting an irrelevant post. > It's just that blatantly irreverent posters of irrelevant posts will admit > that their posts are irrelevant, and aren't trying to hide their relevancy > within a shroud of complacency. At least, that's how it appears to me. > > Happy days, broheim. :-) > > -Matt > > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 4:37 PM, msleeper <[email protected]> wrote: > >> My point is, how does this in any way related to server administration? >> This thread, like so much else here, is crap and spam. >> > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds End of hlds Digest, Vol 12, Issue 26 ************************************ _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
