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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 6:50 AM, RideGuy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:27 AM, f0rkz <[email protected]> wrote:
>> How about we keep f7 out of this.  This was an uncoordinated event not
>> discussed with upper management.
>>
>>
>> f0rkz
>> f7lans.com - Not your moms marble madness
>>
>>
>> On Feb 26, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Chris wrote:
>>
>>> So, I didn't know what clan msleeper was running but thought there
>>> would be
>>> loads of people complaining on his forums, and right enough in his
>>> bans
>>> section loads of people are complaining... First thread I saw this
>>> reply
>>> from one of his "TF2 Division" members:
>>>
>>> "Or just do it on another non F7 server like everyone else who farms
>>> achievements does and don't fall for msleepers little trap next
>>> time. "
>>>
>>> I think you should ban this guy msleeper, not only does he play on
>>> your
>>> server but he's one of your clan members in "TF2 Division" and he's
>>> condones
>>> and obviously is involved in the highly illicit practice of
>>> farming,  and
>>> advising those who play on your servers to farm elsewhere!
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Blood Letter
>>> <[email protected]>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is not some noble cause that warrants beating your own drum in a
>>>> one-man parade.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What you're doing is the equivalent of a child offering to share
>>>> their
>>>> toys with another child, then taking them away and yelling "NO!
>>>> You're
>>>> not allowed to play with my toys anymore!  And my friends all hate
>>>> you
>>>> too!  Hey everyone!  Isn't this person stupid!  Don't ever play with
>>>> him because he's stupid!"
>>>>
>>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:16:35 -0500
>>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] Achievement Farmer Honeypot
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not trying to win anything. Farming is a polarized topic, where
>>>>> people feel agree it is wrong, or feel it is fine and isn't
>>>>> against the
>>>>> rules. Like all server communities, it is up to individual server
>>>>> admins
>>>>> to decide what they want to be allowed and not to be allowed. Am I
>>>>> saying that every single admin or player out there needs to feel the
>>>>> same way I do? Of course not.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not going to say that people need to feel the same way I feel
>>>>> about
>>>>> farming, either. It's not "off base" and it's not the way that you
>>>>> feel,
>>>>> so awesome. Don't run it, and enjoy farmers on your servers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 16:54 -0600, CLAN RCR wrote:
>>>>>> msleeper, you are entirely missing the principal people are using
>>>>>> to
>>>> judge
>>>>>> your logic/decision to base your bans off of.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Until you decide to at least consider the fact that you might
>>>>>> possibly
>>>> be
>>>>>> off base, weather or not you wrote a plugin to do this or that is a
>>>> moot
>>>>>> point. The quality or usability of the plugin isn't what is
>>>>>> behind the
>>>>>> driving force to resist you, it is the logic that farming is
>>>>>> somehow a
>>>>>> banable offence that people are disagreeing with, and until you
>>>> consider the
>>>>>> other arguements logically you will never win the arguement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Matt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 4:41 PM, msleeper <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey look I can crosspost to AlliedModders too. FYI my Karma is
>>>>>>> back
>>>> up
>>>>>>> to where it was before, not like I care too much.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think you're missing the point. Nobody is forcing you to use the
>>>>>>> plugin, or enforce the banlist I have up. I am being called
>>>>>>> self-righteous, but then being flamed and -Karma'd for something
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> nobody is being held at gun point to use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you don't like it, don't use it. End of story.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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