I agree with this notion. Plus the fact that it means I can ban people who would exploit such things in the future from my servers.
Once an exploiter, always an exploiter. ;) On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Bruce Potter <[email protected]> wrote: > Richard, some folks think that publicly disclosing the vulnerability > is actually the "best" way to handle these situations. There's a long > standing debate regarding the merits of full disclosure and its impact > on the user community, vendors, and admins. Not that wikipedia is the > authority on all this, but there's a decent description of the problem > there: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_disclosure > > There are certainly pros and cons to both sides of the argument... > however I don't think it's accurate to say the best course of action > is to just email Valve. I, for one, don't have any problem with this > info being mailed to this list (as if my opinion counts here). The > ppl who want to exploit these vulnerabilities are already aware of > them. Might as well let the admins know what's going on and hopefully > hold Valve's feet to the fire a bit. > > later > > bruce > - Show quoted text - > > On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:13 PM, Richard Eid wrote: > > > As always, it's best to e-mail these exploits to someone at Valve > > directly, > > or to Support, instead of broadcasting them, in detail, here on the > > list. > > Forcing Valve's hand to fix these doesn't do much for the players > > until a > > fix comes out. All you have done, again, is share the details of an > > exploit > > that people will use to ruin the experience of the game for people > > who want > > to play it seriously. > > > > It's not just that "hackers/cheaters" sign up for the list to find > > stuff > > like this, because there are plenty of other means for getting this > > this > > type of information, but there are people on the list that will use > > this > > exploit only because they now know how to do it. Then they'll share > > the > > details of it with other people, who share it with even more people, > > and so > > on and so forth. > > > > I thought this was clear the last time you posted an exploit? Or > > maybe I'm > > just not getting the point of posting another exploit, with details. > > > > -Richard Eid > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Tony Paloma > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >> Jay grabbed the intercom mic. "Shut up, please," he observed. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rick Payton > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:55 PM > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] New? Hunter Exploit > >> > >> Refresh the page. > >> > >> -mauirixxx > >> -Sent from the random steambans website: > >> http://www.kingdomsend.com/steamban.php > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aj Collins > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:53 PM > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > >> Subject: Re: [hlds] New? Hunter Exploit > >> > >> SakeFox, need moar people. > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:48 PM, SakeFox <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> lets just make it more fun, just randomly ban cretin people > >>> everyday. > >>> http://www.kingdomsend.com/steamban.php > >>> > >>> msleeper wrote: > >>>> It is absurd that people are still going on and on about it. > >>>> > >>>> I thought about making a quick plugin that would probably cockblock > >>>> this problem, but fuck it, we'll do it live. Patrick can write it > >>>> now if he wants to stop it so badly. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 15:36 -1000, Rick Payton wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> What can I say? I countered a lame jab by taking it a huge step > >> further. > >>>>> Msleeper even took it a step further. Ok I may be the only one > >>>>> that > >> > >>>>> get's a chuckle out of it, due to the absurdity of it all. > >>>>> > >>>>> But fuck Patrick ... Try harder dude? > >>>>> > >>>>> -mauirixx > >>>>> -Sent from #tryharder > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: [email protected] > >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Patrick > >>>>> Shelley > >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:30 PM > >>>>> To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > >>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds] New? Hunter Exploit > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm sorry Rick, please accept my sincere apologies - i forgot you > >>>>> were the only paid up member of msleepers fan club. > >>>>> > >>>>> Now get back in your box with sleeper, we'll tape the lid down and > >>>>> mail you both off to Valve HQ - im sure they could do with beating > >>>>> the crap out of another pinata. > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>> archives, please visit: > >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>> archives, > >>> please visit: > >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>> archives, > >>> please visit: > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>> archives, > >> > >>> please visit: > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >> archives, > >> please visit: > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
