HTML5 is the new standard. Why in the world would you want to get rid of that? Flash is the one that should be out the window.
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Re: Coming soon: changes to TF HTML MOTD support (Doctor McKay) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 12:32:18 -0500 > From: Doctor McKay <[email protected]> > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Coming soon: changes to TF HTML MOTD support > Message-ID: > <CAA_ANjTBmcE3jnn6Ojvzi6cg0PiBD6LxHavx5qEJ= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > In my opinion, the best course of action would be to allow a single HTML > MOTD with Flash/HTML5 fancy features disabled, unload it when the client > closes it, and then refuse to load any additional MOTDs (not just loading > them in the background). > > > Dr. McKay > www.doctormckay.com > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:08 PM, 1nsane <[email protected]> wrote: > > > But if you can load that you can load some other ads as well. Not all ads > > need flash/video. And if it allows invisible motds again then the > original > > issue comes back. > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Paul <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Or back to the drawing board, disallow/filter out Flash and HTML5 > >> audio/video elements if the person has connected via Quickplay. This > would > >> allow things such as Google Analytics to still work, as they don't > impact > >> the user's experience (e.g. doesn't make sounds). Google Analytics was > >> useful in seeing who connected from where, and some other statistics for > >> the curious. I'm sure there are other useful examples that would work > under > >> a similar restriction. > >> > >> > >> On 7 November 2013 16:59, thesupremecommander <[email protected] > >wrote: > >> > >>> There's also another solution that would pretty much completely fix > >>> every problem - allow an MOTD at initial connect, unload that MOTD, and > >>> then allow further MOTD windows to be opened up iff the player accepts > it. > >>> > >>> Seriously, approval-based server redirection has been in the game a > >>> while and it works well for the purpose. Why couldn't we do the same > for > >>> MOTDs? > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:54 AM, 1nsane <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Well there are better ways of doing it. Like for example why did they > >>>> make it so the other MOTD windows open up invisible for quickplay > players > >>>> in the first place? > >>>> It did nothing for ads but broke other legitimate plugins. What was > the > >>>> point of that? Seriously. > >>>> > >>>> Why not just do it right and make it so you can only open a MOTD > window > >>>> for quickplay players once and that's it? > >>>> No more after that, visible or invisible. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Daniel Barreiro < > >>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Wahh! I don't want these servers to hijack quickplay traffic to run > >>>>> ads! Valve do something! > >>>>> > >>>>> *update comes* > >>>>> > >>>>> Wahhh! Valve implemented a fix for the problem! I don't care I want > my > >>>>> HTML mods back on quickplay clients! > >>>>> > >>>>> Seriously guys, you bitch for them to change it, and then bitch when > >>>>> they change it. Get over yourselves. If you run a good community, you > >>>>> should be able to pay via donations. If you don't get enough > donations, > >>>>> just pay for it from your own pocket. If you care about your > community as > >>>>> much as you guys act like you do, you should be glad to pay out of > your own > >>>>> pocket. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Paul <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I thought this recent update completely eliminated all HTML MOTD's > >>>>>> from Quickplay connecting clients, not just for when you connect > but also > >>>>>> during the game (still only plain text but hidden anyway)? Am I > wrong in > >>>>>> that assumption? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 7 November 2013 16:26, ics <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> There has been servers before these adds came an "issue". This > >>>>>>> change was not aimed against any of us, but the people who set up > servers > >>>>>>> to drain quickplay traffic do get advertisements showing. Correct > me if i'm > >>>>>>> wrong but these advertisement abusers can still open window to the > >>>>>>> background and display adds there & refresh. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So, Valve doesn't want to get in the middle and not give advantage > >>>>>>> to the people who do this, so they disable motd adds from > quickplay users, > >>>>>>> leaving these plugins that open that crap to background in the > game and > >>>>>>> driving off some people that run servers. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So now only servers that do not participate in quickplay can > benefit > >>>>>>> from advertisements on the motd and servers that participate in > quickplay > >>>>>>> can benefit from that adds crap in background window. Who was the > real > >>>>>>> winner here? No one. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -ics > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Doctor McKay kirjoitti: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Nobody forces you to go on servers that have ads. I fail to > >>>>>>>> understand how the fact that some servers might use > advertisements affects > >>>>>>>> you personally when you can easily ignore them. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Dr. McKay > >>>>>>>> www.doctormckay.com <http://www.doctormckay.com> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Saint K. < > [email protected]<mailto: > >>>>>>>> [email protected]>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Anything they do to battle them ad?s gets my vote. For all I > >>>>>>>> care > >>>>>>>> they disable the HTML functionality all together. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Back to oldskool community building where one can only survive > >>>>>>>> on > >>>>>>>> donations. Donations means your servers are appreciated. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Saint K. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> *From:*[email protected] > >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> > >>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected] > >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of > >>>>>>>> *1nsane > >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:38 PM > >>>>>>>> *To:* Paul Lewis; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing > list > >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [hlds] Coming soon: changes to TF HTML MOTD > >>>>>>>> support > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> There wasn't much point to running MvM servers before. Even > less > >>>>>>>> so now it seems. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Not like you can make a community around stock MvM. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 6:12 AM, Paul <[email protected] > >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I imagine many communities will close up on using TF2 > >>>>>>>> Quickplay, whether they will successfully move to a > >>>>>>>> different > >>>>>>>> game or game mode is another question though. I'm > switching > >>>>>>>> from having 23 Mann vs Machine servers to trying Slender > >>>>>>>> Fortress. If servers switch to being non-reliant on > >>>>>>>> Quickplay > >>>>>>>> then in my view that's partly good, as Quickplay from day > >>>>>>>> one > >>>>>>>> was a bad idea in my opinion. It doesn't promote or offer > >>>>>>>> options to join servers which are run in an unofficial way > >>>>>>>> (e.g. custom gamemodes or custom maps). In the days of > Team > >>>>>>>> Fortress Classic players had to use the server browser, > and > >>>>>>>> those days were better in my view. Custom run servers saw > >>>>>>>> more > >>>>>>>> players back then than they typically do in TF2 these > days. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> It's impossible to use the MOTD for even simple images and > >>>>>>>> links, so is practically impossible for a community to > make > >>>>>>>> links to things such as donation pages to help them cover > >>>>>>>> costs of their servers. I'm expecting to see the number of > >>>>>>>> Quickplay servers drop by a reasonable amount, and > possibly > >>>>>>>> more non-Quickplay servers to open (custom gamemodes > and/or > >>>>>>>> custom maps). > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 7 November 2013 11:00, Element <[email protected] > >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I run a group of servers which are funded from MOTD > >>>>>>>> impressions resulting in my small community of players > >>>>>>>> being able to play on servers setup the way they like, > >>>>>>>> for > >>>>>>>> FREE. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> My servers are in the quickplay pool to help fill the > >>>>>>>> empty spaces for my community members, generating > mostly > >>>>>>>> full servers consisting of around a 50-50 mix of > members > >>>>>>>> and quickplay traffic. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> With my community impressions alone, server costs > >>>>>>>> weren't > >>>>>>>> quite being met each month. But when i added them to > the > >>>>>>>> quickplay pool, i was then able to use the advertising > >>>>>>>> revenue to fully pay for my servers. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> But now this is not the case, thanks to valves latest > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> greatest idea.... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I will NOT pay for these servers out of my own pocket, > >>>>>>>> nor > >>>>>>>> will i beg for money from my "free" community.... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So thanks valve, you successfully killed my > community, i > >>>>>>>> guess my members will move to some other community... > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> Skial scum maybe? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view > the > >>>>>>>> list archives, please visit: > >>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware. > >>>>>>>> com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the > list > >>>>>>>> archives, please visit: > >>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ > >>>>>>>> hlds > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>>>>> archives, please visit: > >>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>>>>> archives, please visit: > >>>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>>>> archives, please visit: > >>>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>>>>> archives, please visit: > >>>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > >>>>> please visit: > >>>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>>> please visit: > >>>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> thesupremecommander (Steam< > http://steamcommunity.com/id/thesupremecommander> > >>> ) > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> please visit: > >>> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >> please visit: > >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/private/hlds/attachments/20131107/73058e6f/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > End of hlds Digest, Vol 31, Issue 16 > ************************************ >
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