So now Valve servers are back in the browser after people complained. It just goes to show how much people actually love Quickplay. One step forward, one step back!
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 3:00 PM, <hlds-requ...@list.valvesoftware.com> wrote: > Send hlds mailing list submissions to > hlds@list.valvesoftware.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > hlds-requ...@list.valvesoftware.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > hlds-ow...@list.valvesoftware.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of hlds digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Mandatory TF2 update released (Kevin C) > 2. Re: Mandatory TF2 update released (E. Olsen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 14:00:29 -0400 > From: Kevin C <s...@serveredirect.com> > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update released > Message-ID: <55981f3d.9000...@serveredirect.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" > > It might save overhead for clients, but certainly not valve. > > From our tests valve servers are not being reported by the master > server, so your client does not actually get any data about them. The > performance goes down as more servers are populated in your list, apply > a filter early(under 1k servers or so) and the filter works fine, even > after 3k+ servers though it was only a few seconds delay from typing a > map name in and getting results. > > (I cut a lot of text from this thread, it was too large to submit) > > On 7/4/2015 1:49 PM, E. Olsen wrote: > > > > However I have to say the server browser itself has some severe > > performance issues and takes a lot of CPU to sort just a silly few > > servers (even now with just a handful of community servers its slow). > > It also seems to buffer data so that I have to press refresh at > > least twice, otherwise I get entries that are obsolete (trying to > > connect to them does not work). > > > > > > I think this is due to how the system works (querying servers in > > realtime, I believe). It was much, much faster a few years ago before > > Valve added thousands of their own server to it, which leads me to > > believe those servers are still being parsed, just not shown (which is > > certainly not ideal in terms of speed). > > > > I've actually thought there was always a better way to do that. Why > > not have every server send an info packet to a central database every > > 30-60 seconds or so, and have the server browser draw all the info > > from that database instead? The only issue, I believe, would be > > displaying local ping values for each player, but I'm sure that could > > be worked out (perhaps, for the purpose of the browser, replace ping > > with and actual region/location, and allow the player to sort closest > > server to farthest, etc.)? > > > > At any rate - if there were some way for them to draw the info from a > > static database instead of querying thousands of servers, I think it > > would both speed things up, and save alot of overhead. > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Dominik Friedrichs <d...@forlix.org > > <mailto:d...@forlix.org>> wrote: > > > > Thanks to 1nsane, I guess that feature invalidates my point. > > > > I have to disagree regarding the "thousands of servers" Kevin > > mentioned though. Once you filter for a specific map and decent > > latency, especially at awkward times of day, it usually comes down > > to 3 or less Valve servers for me. > > > > However I have to say the server browser itself has some severe > > performance issues and takes a lot of CPU to sort just a silly few > > servers (even now with just a handful of community servers its slow). > > It also seems to buffer data so that I have to press refresh at > > least twice, otherwise I get entries that are obsolete (trying to > > connect to them does not work). > > > > Regarding finding a gaming community and whatnot... I just cant be > > bothered - I want to launch the game and play, thats it. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/private/hlds/attachments/20150704/ed2799c4/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 14:12:00 -0400 > From: "E. Olsen" <ceo.eol...@gmail.com> > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list > <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Mandatory TF2 update released > Message-ID: > < > caku-1cg4iryvbmzdudal7qrb1njtoen2egceu9x6r3520jq...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > It might save overhead for clients, but certainly not valve. > > > True, but I doubt it would take a very robust set of load-balanced servers > to handle the load (and it's not like Valve's having profitability issues). > Heck, we recently built a new co-located server with a xeon 1271, 32GB of > ram, and 5 high-end SSD's for our community for less than $2500. Even if > Valve had to spend 5x that on a system to offload the work from the client > to a server-based solution, it would be totally worth it. > > Speed is important in the server browser. There are times I do a search in > the browser for a particular map to see where our servers come up, and they > show up in a few seconds, and other times where it takes over a minute. If > the clent could pull all the info from a static source, not only would > searches be lightning-quick, but there could be a ton more fine-tuned > sorting of the servers done as well. > > Even better, all those complaints about the server browser not working for > some folks would disappear, as their networking setup would no longer > matter, since they would all be pulling down a single static file each > time, etc. > > Anyhoo- just another idea ;-) > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 2:00 PM, Kevin C <s...@serveredirect.com> wrote: > > > It might save overhead for clients, but certainly not valve. > > > > From our tests valve servers are not being reported by the master server, > > so your client does not actually get any data about them. The performance > > goes down as more servers are populated in your list, apply a filter > > early(under 1k servers or so) and the filter works fine, even after 3k+ > > servers though it was only a few seconds delay from typing a map name in > > and getting results. > > > > (I cut a lot of text from this thread, it was too large to submit) > > > > On 7/4/2015 1:49 PM, E. Olsen wrote: > > > > However I have to say the server browser itself has some severe > >> performance issues and takes a lot of CPU to sort just a silly few > servers > >> (even now with just a handful of community servers its slow). > >> It also seems to buffer data so that I have to press refresh at least > >> twice, otherwise I get entries that are obsolete (trying to connect to > them > >> does not work). > > > > > > I think this is due to how the system works (querying servers in > > realtime, I believe). It was much, much faster a few years ago before > Valve > > added thousands of their own server to it, which leads me to believe > those > > servers are still being parsed, just not shown (which is certainly not > > ideal in terms of speed). > > > > I've actually thought there was always a better way to do that. Why not > > have every server send an info packet to a central database every 30-60 > > seconds or so, and have the server browser draw all the info from that > > database instead? The only issue, I believe, would be displaying local > ping > > values for each player, but I'm sure that could be worked out (perhaps, > for > > the purpose of the browser, replace ping with and actual region/location, > > and allow the player to sort closest server to farthest, etc.)? > > > > At any rate - if there were some way for them to draw the info from a > > static database instead of querying thousands of servers, I think it > would > > both speed things up, and save alot of overhead. > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Dominik Friedrichs <d...@forlix.org> > wrote: > > > >> Thanks to 1nsane, I guess that feature invalidates my point. > >> > >> I have to disagree regarding the "thousands of servers" Kevin mentioned > >> though. Once you filter for a specific map and decent latency, > especially > >> at awkward times of day, it usually comes down to 3 or less Valve > servers > >> for me. > >> > >> However I have to say the server browser itself has some severe > >> performance issues and takes a lot of CPU to sort just a silly few > servers > >> (even now with just a handful of community servers its slow). > >> It also seems to buffer data so that I have to press refresh at least > >> twice, otherwise I get entries that are obsolete (trying to connect to > them > >> does not work). > >> > >> Regarding finding a gaming community and whatnot... I just cant be > >> bothered - I want to launch the game and play, thats it. > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/private/hlds/attachments/20150704/f08cb3b7/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > > End of hlds Digest, Vol 51, Issue 27 > ************************************ > -- *Matthew (Rowedahelicon) Robinson* Web Designer / Artist / Writer Website - http://www.rowedahelicon.com/
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