On 25/10/2001, 18:47:46, "Simon Garner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote 
regarding Re: [hlds_linux] World Cyber Game - FR - Relaying HLTV this 
weekend:
> Can *clients* behind ISPs that don't support multicast, still connect to 
a
> multicast stream? Or do they need to be doing tunneling as well?

> I'm a clueless newbie here :)

Ya, the clients have to tunnel if their ISP doesn't support
multicast.  They can tunnel on their own, or use a router or
firewall that'll do the tunneling for them.

Of course, I don't know if Windows has support for tunneling
on its own.  I'm willing to bet that 95, 98, ME, and XP don't
support tunneling, but do support direct multicast.  While
NT and 2000 support multicast, probably only the Advanced Servers,
Servers, and suchlike support the tunneling piece.  Though, knowing
Microbloat, it's probably just a registry key that you tweak in
order to support multicast tunneling.

I've tried some searches on that blasted microsoft knowledge base,
and the best information that I've been able to find is at:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/planning/communications/mu
lticaststeps.asp

This doc talks about how to set up multicast conferencing in Win2k
using TAPI and Phone Dialer.  Its pretty useless for most peolpe
(requires an active directory server on the local network), but
at least it contains the following paragraph:

CONFIGURING THE NETWORK BACKBONE
TAPI IP multicast relies on the ability of the network backbone
to carry IP multicast packets.  Windows 2000 Professional-based
workstations connected to a common Ethernet network can participate
in multicast without additional network configuration.  If a
deployment scenario involves conference participants located on
different networks, some router configuration might be required.

I take this paragraph to mean that Windows 2000 Professional
definately does not support multicast tunneling on its own, that
it requires an external router to perform that function.

I have not found any document that describes the "some router
configuration".  Well, that's not true.  I've found lots of data
on this for Cisco, Linux, Solaris, and others.  But nothing for
Windows type systems.  So /if/ tunneling is supported under
Windows, I have no clue what is required to activate it or
configure it.

My test environment has two windows boxen, and they're
connected to a fully multicast-capable network with multicast
routers and all that fun stuff.  So they don't have to worry
about multicast tunneling.

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