My observations about freebsd vs linux with hlds servers are this: a while ago, a friend of mine used to host a server at the company he worked at sitting on a seriously fat pipe right off a major backbone. it originally started out on linux, (slimmed down debian) and then one day he decided to put on freebsd as a learning experience etc etc. the pings dropped to that server by like 10-15 with in game ping times... and I am not kidding. it was on a very superior pipe in the first place though, so it was quite noticeable when your pings all of a sudden drop from on average 45-50 to 30-35. It was actually uncanny, as the day he brought it back up, people were at random like "wow, my ping is way lower than normal, you upgrade teh server or something?" I attribute most of this probably to freebsd's superior ipstack (one of the things that every one else wants to get on par with freebsd) although I could be wrong and it has nothing to do with that and something with the linux emulation. (he used ver 7 btw)
now, on the flip side of that, there is some deal with hl's timing and freebsd's kernel that it limits the server frames per second to 50, so pingboost, etc won't do jack for you except max it out at 50fps. Now this is perfectly fine and dandy for an internet server, but really doesn't cut it for a lan server (imho) just my 2 cents. kev On Tuesday, July 16, 2002, at 05:12 PM, m0gely wrote: > What I said about OpenBSD, I meant in terms of a default install. The > user has to do very little if anything at all after the install. And > their worries about security compared to other *nix's would be greatly > lessened. > > I would like to know however, how you determine that Linux is faster > than FreeBSD running HLDS. It would seam obvious that Linux would be > the first choice, however I am just curious about your methods. I too > do not want to start a flame war, but I would like to point out that > FreeBSD has demonstrated running some Linux apps faster than Linux does > natively. The most related to this list that I could find would be this > link regarding the linux Q3A server: > > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=linux+emul > ation+on+freebsd+is+faster+than+linux&sa=N&tab=wg > > It's the top link. And regarding the FreeBSD hardware/driver support > issue, people shouldn't be too scared, as generally buying reputable > hardware will save you from a lot of trouble. This should be with any > OS though. FreeBSD may not have driver support for every bit of brand > new hardware all the time, but then, what OS does? > > - m0gely > >> -----Original Message----- >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Prodigy >> >> Not to start a massive flame here, but saying one linux distro over >> another is pure biggotry. Redhat can be ultra secure just like any > other >> OS when SETUP correctly. Having every service started for you by > default >> in inetd doesn't help, this where knowledge really becomes key. >> >> OpenBSD is really only suitable as a packetfilter or webserver. > FreeBSD >> is great, however, it suffers from a lack of corporate sponsorship, > and >> hence linux is really where you want to go, beccause its got big blue >> amongst other corporate proponents behind it. Whereas FreeBSD won't > have >> that driver written yet, linux probably will. And if you are going to >> host HLDS you should do it under linux, where it was natively ported > to. >> I've hosted HLDS under both OSes, and it IS faster under linux, > whether to >> use one over the other is sheerly based on how tightly you want to > load >> the box. >> >> Everyone who doesn't know linux read this tho, no ONE distro is king. >> They are all good, and all have their advantages. Slackware is the > best >> if you want a CLEAN install, with SIMPLE config/start files, and a non >> cluttered and non confusing layout. RedHat and Debian are excellent > if >> you are new, and don't want to be compiling source code, you can use > their >> excellent package management systems. Suse is based off slackware and > has >> many of its desirable features, and some from other distros. Thats > just >> the tip of the stack. >> >> Don't take any one's opinion too seriously, try them all if you can, >> figure out what YOU will like best. And as with ANY OS, become aware > of >> the particular vulnerabilities and weaknesses of your OS. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Prodigy >> >> On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 10:25:45 -0700 >> "jeev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Hahahahahahah >>> >>> j >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Daniel >>> Reinhardt >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 10:11 AM >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server? >>> >>> I wouldn't be concerned about the security of the OS, but the > Security >>> of >>> the building where his server is. HE may just come and actually try > to >>> pocket the server and take it away from you. >>> >>> The Ace Man >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "m0gely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 10:46 AM >>> Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server? >>> >>> >>>> I have never tried it but doesn't openbsd have linux compat as > well? >>>> Since it has a default install geared towards being secure, it > might >>> not >>>> be bad to try it out for some. Although it has NO smp ability, >>> compared >>>> to freebsd which does. >>>> >>>> If you have freebsd, I found a good easy to read doc on basic >>> security. >>>> It doesn't take long to read it and even do most of the thing >>> mentioned. >>>> It's a good start: >>>> >>>> http://draenor.org/securebsd/ >>>> >>>> - m0gely >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:hlds_linux- >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Oscar N >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 9:34 AM >>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] [OT] Pocket your server? >>>>> >>>>> Must agree with the following, but if you don't want to > reinstall it >>>>> then read some security guide about redhat, there are quite a > few >>> out >>>>> there... It describes how to turn of everything you dont need. > That >>>>> should be enough... >>>>> Or do it my way :) Install Debian, the only linux dist that is > worth >>>>> something, hehe... Wonder how many mail I will get now ;) >>>>> >>>>> /Oscar >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, >>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, >> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >>> >> >> >> -- >> James Couzens >> Network Manager, >> Market News Publishing >> >> (604) 689-1101 TEL >> (604) 689-1106 FAX >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
