Yes, the ptrace kernel-exploit is a very good example, and even if you have no
local users, you could think of it like -ALL PROGRAMS RUN AS ROOT-, and since
this is a hlds-list, you should remember the hlds-remote-shell-exploit against
3.1.1.0c, which would root your box in no time with an old kernel.

- Sindre

>===== Original Message From "Matt H." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =====
>You know I'm not going to argue this. Regardless a high uptime in the linux
>and or opensource community is considered holy. Yes there are cons to it ,
>but it's your server and you can do whatever you want with it. if you prefer
>a low uptime, and a more secure kernel with more robust newer features then
>have at it ( this is what I do on my own desktop box ) , if you prefer not
>messing with a kernel and keeping your server up for long periods of time
>then do that ( I do this with my proxy server ) . I do both , if your
>thinking my proxy is vunerable , its not. I have a very sophisticated
>firewall script handling everything coming in and out. Plus on top of that
>there is no remote connection to my proxy server, if I make a changes to it,
>its done physically on the console to it. All I'm saying is , that if you
>know what your doing , you can make a system with an insecure kernel a very
>secure system, regardless if the kernel has some exploit for it ( google
>ptrace for an example of a kernel exploit ). That's my two cents, and my last
>posting for this thread.
>
>Matt H.
>
>
>On Thursday 16 October 2003 10:55 pm, Z Teknology HLDS Email wrote:
>> > Then don't allow anyone access to machine and keep it firewalled.. via
>> > iptables.. Laugh all you want about this, but I know some admins who
>> > don't switch kernels or update it that often, what they want is a high
>> > uptime.
>>
>> It
>>
>> > shows customers that your systems are stable reliable.. etc
>>
>> Stable and reliable and vulnerable to attacks due to out of date kernals...
>>
>> Zack Sloane
>> http://zteknology.com
>> We put the personal back in personal computers!
>>
>>
>>
>>
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