Very well said Duck. Valve - are you listening?
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian "Duck" Holmes Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 2:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [hlds_linux] Crashes >On Thursday 22 December 2005 22:10, Joseph Laws wrote: >Iam still wondering how you know that 100% of all servers crashed? We obviously don't know that exactly 100% of the servers exhibited the problem, but I've yet to see a single linux server admin claim it worked fine for them AND the problem was confirmed on a myriad of different distros and configurations. Based on that I think saying that 100% of *nix based servers were affected is a reasonable extrapolation of the available facts. If I'm wrong and there's a server admin out there somewhere running a *nix based server who applied the patch and didn't immediately get a segfault then by all means come forward and prove us wrong. We all know and accept that Valve can't be expected to test for every possible hardware/software configuration out there especially with the myriad choices afforded by the open source world, BUT expecting that Valve do SOME testing on at least the most popular OS('s) is far from out of line. Expecting Valve to communicate with us and let us know what's going on is more than acceptable. Let me remind you of a few things: 1) The original update was released with absolutely no warning or notice to the list or the forums 2) Absolutely no word was given that they had confirmed the issue and were working on a fix 3) The update to the update was released with no warning or notice 4) They did not even have the decency to send an announcement the following morning saying "hey we screwed up last night, sorry for the hassle" For those that continue to assert that we have no right to demand anything for a dedicated server binary that is provided free of charge I'll reiterate the statements of others by stating that we (server admins) are a very large part of the continued success of Valve and their games. If we didn't put forth the effort we do to provide and maintain the servers for all those players to play on the player base would be far smaller than it is. So while I don't expect Valve to accede to our every whim I think that a modicum of professionalism and quality control is the least we should be able to expect and demand _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
