It sounds to me like he might be crazy, but I can have good latency to a server but have bad registration. 30 ping and he has problems? That is most likely his problem. That is why I always blame the connection. When you look at it realistically, these sorts of rates are at most only consistent in a lan based environment.
Even though I argue your point for you in a way, I can still feel it. I know when I'm playing on a shit server. Cruddy peering,cruddy routing from isp's, and bad connections. I don't want to get into all that. There are too many variables on he user's end. I run my servers via Debian. I made my own kernel and trimmed all the phat from it. Currently it is rt but have heard that I am better off not using that so I am going to try it without it. All I need is consistency and I'm happy.. cheers, Gregg On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Eric Greer <[email protected]> wrote: > I recently had a guy complain about ping from Chicago to Montreal. > His ping was 30 and he proclaimed his internet was 'badass' and he > pings 80 to china so my servers had a problem. > > I explained exactly how the internet works but he insisted my server > had issues. I further explained it takes 300ms to blink your eye. > They named their clan '300ms or FAIL' and dedicated it to hating me > :-) > > I feel honored :-) > > Eric > > > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Gregg Hanpeter<[email protected]> wrote: > > On a side note, whenever anyone complains about bad registration I > usually > > ask them for a traceroute and most often that player is shitty at the > > moment. But anyways, with the many seasons I have spent in cal and cevo, > I > > know a cruddy server when I join it, especially when the ip begins with > an 8 > > (hehe). > > > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Gregg Hanpeter <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> Yes, I probably would if there were 9 other players in the server.. But > you > >> have to keep in mind that I am on comcast and they blow. More often than > not > >> I blame the isp or anyone that is located in giganet. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Eric Greer <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>> I think servers above 350 FPS are just one of those "What the customer > >>> wants, the customer gets" things. > >>> > >>> Do you think you would notice a difference with tick rate at 100 and > >>> FPS over 350 Gregg? > >>> > >>> Eric > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Gregg Hanpeter<[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > I would be complaining. I hate cruddy registry. If you take this > >>> discussion > >>> > to CEVO forums you would get a lot of negative opinions to low fps > >>> rates. > >>> > Sure the average joe won't notice but I sure would. > >>> > > >>> > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Ulrich Block <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > > >>> >> Stcok fps ist ~245 even if the value is set to fps_max 300 ^^ And no > >>> our > >>> >> players didnt even realise setting that i set fps_max to 75 @ tick > 66. > >>> >> I was just curious if they would realise and they did not... > >>> >> > >>> >> Eric Greer schrieb: > >>> >> > I was reading about 'if its really worth it' today. > >>> >> > Apparently 500 FPS servers add 2ms of delay while 1000 FPS servers > >>> add > >>> >> 1ms > >>> >> > delay. Also, 2000 FPS adds only .5ms. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Considering it takes the human being 300ms to blink his eye, and i > >>> can do > >>> >> > that while typing accurately... talking about anything over 350fps > >>> >> literally > >>> >> > becomes trivial. Include in tick rates deprecating this math and > >>> you're > >>> >> > literally down to nothing more than the CPU calculating the same > crap > >>> >> over > >>> >> > and over and over. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > The most important thing is tick rate. In my opinion, if a blind > >>> study > >>> >> was > >>> >> > done NOBODY would be able to accurately tell the difference > between a > >>> 100 > >>> >> > tick 350fps server compared to anything higher - ever. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > But that never stopped people from selling what the public wants > to > >>> pay > >>> >> for > >>> >> > :-). Plus, the amount of placebo effect involved with 'pro' PC > >>> gamers is > >>> >> so > >>> >> > intense I have a hard time comprehending it. Simply telling them > >>> >> they've > >>> >> > switched to a 1000 FPS server should make them rave about how > great > >>> it > >>> >> is. > >>> >> > The only REAL difference is what number comes up in tests. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > I'm sure gamers will never believe this and you'll find lines of > >>> people > >>> >> > waiting to tell you that they can see the difference between 350, > >>> 500, > >>> >> 1000 > >>> >> > and 2000 FPS servers. *sigh* > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Eric > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Daniel Nilsson < > >>> [email protected] > >>> >> >wrote: > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> >> It´s very true that many do not see the difference from different > >>> >> >> ticrates. Mainly because thare are no big difference (Especialy > from > >>> 66 > >>> >> >> to 100). Now several of you will protest. But the most important > is > >>> the > >>> >> >> following > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> 1. The fps must in must be stable. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> 2. The box must have an stabile networking to avoid changes in > >>> packages > >>> >> >> sent and recived. This part i have noticed on my own when playing > >>> >> >> online. Playing on a server for 5-10 min... hitting nothing. Take > an > >>> >> >> look at the in and out on the netgraph and voila. They drop from > 60 > >>> to > >>> >> >> 40, up to 50 and so on. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> Swithces to an more stable server and suddenly i hit everything, > >>> almost. > >>> >> >> But the funny part imo is that is it unstable for everyone or > youst > >>> me > >>> >> >> because of my isp peering to that server isp or is it the same > for > >>> >> >> everyone on that server. If it is the latest part. Why does some > hit > >>> on > >>> >> >> those servers at all. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> //Daniel > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> Ulrich Block skrev: > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >>> Same here. The most players can not even notice if they are > playing > >>> on > >>> >> >>> tick 33, 66 or even 100. > >>> >> >>> Remember the valve defaults ar updaterate 20 cmdrate 30. Many of > >>> the > >>> >> >>> players out there do not know to alter this cvars, so that they > can > >>> not > >>> >> >>> notice the tick > >>> >> >>> I run some public Servers at tick 33 with fps_max 300 and nobody > >>> ever > >>> >> >>> complained about bad hit registration. > >>> >> >>> The 1000fps thing is only for the wannabe pro players that are > not > >>> able > >>> >> >>> to say its their fault they died. Besides there are no real > 1000fps > >>> >> >>> only values close to that number like 950-990 fps. But again > nobody > >>> >> will > >>> >> >>> notice the difference between 500 and 1000fps Servers. > >>> >> >>> Maybe some players from 250 to 500... > >>> >> >>> What i noticed is the fact, that the ping is slightly reduced > when > >>> >> >>> running at higher fps. > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> Ferenc Kovacs schrieb: > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>>> If you was fine before you heard about the 1000fps thing, I > think > >>> you > >>> >> >>>> shouldnt bother. > >>> >> >>>> The difference between stable ~250 and 1000 fps is almost zero > >>> from > >>> >> >>>> the players perspective, but requires higher cpu cost, so you > can > >>> have > >>> >> >>>> fewer server on the same box. > >>> >> >>>> just my 2c > >>> >> >>>> > >>> >> >>>> Tyrael > >>> >> >>>> > >>> >> >>>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Nevermore<[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> >> >>>> > >>> >> >>>> > >>> >> >>>> > >>> >> >>>>> Very insteresting thread! > >>> >> >>>>> > >>> >> >>>>> I run a lot of servers in the same box with stock debian > kernel. > >>> >> >>>>> Wich optimization is suitable for me? > >>> >> >>>>> > >>> >> >>>>> > >>> >> >>>>> Thank you all! > >>> >> >>>>> > >>> >> >>>>> > >>> >> >>>>> > >>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>> >> archives, > >>> >> >>>>> > >>> >> >> please visit: > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> >> >>>>> > >>> >> >>>>> > >>> >> >>>>> > >>> >> >>>>> > >>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>> archives, > >>> >> >>>> > >>> >> >> please visit: > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> >> >>>> > >>> >> >>>> > >>> >> >>>> > >>> >> >>>> > >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>> archives, > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >> please visit: > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >> signature database 4402 (20090907) __________ > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> http://www.eset.com > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >>> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus > >>> >> >> signature database 4403 (20090907) __________ > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> http://www.eset.com > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>> archives, > >>> >> >> please visit: > >>> >> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > >>> >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > >>> archives, > >>> >> please visit: > >>> >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > >>> >> please visit: > >>> >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> >> > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > >>> please visit: > >>> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> > > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > >>> please visit: > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > >>> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
