I am bumping this thread. This needs to happen. The game is getting bigger and bigger and the engine hasn't shown for the growth.
32 man servers are running like shit even if you have a great server. -f0rkz On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:13 AM, 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com> wrote: > I thought they are working on LFD3? Or perhaps concept art for EP3. > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 11:15 PM, DontWannaName! <ad...@topnotchclan.com > >wrote: > > > Perhaps in CS2 they will add all of this support or to whatever they are > > working on... > > > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Tony Paloma <drunkenf...@hotmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Yes, exactly. Multithreading or not, I'm not going to have spare CPU > > > cycles. > > > I'd rather any multithreading effort be instead directed to improving > > > performance (Why does a 32 players server suck so much more than 24? > Can > > it > > > be improved?). > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > > > [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Ook > > > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:41 PM > > > To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support > > > > > > That might work if some other process wasn't using the other cores. If > > all > > > cores are maxed out, multithreading the code gains nothing. But if one > > > server is maxed and the others are not such that there are extra cycles > > on > > > the other cores to spread around, you could get some improved > performance > > > for the maxed out server. It really depends on how many cores and how > > many > > > servers and what the expected load is for them. > > > > > > Or in other words, multithreading the code will help unless all cores > are > > > maxed out. And if you are running with all cores maxed out, you > probably > > > have some serious lag going on somewhere. > > > > > > PS - If it's a 2GHz dual core, then it has 2GHz of clock to play with. > > > Multithreading it would give it another 2GHz to play with assuming no > one > > > else was eating up cpu cycles - in theory. In practice, a lot of the > code > > > probably couldn't be multithreaded, and just adding a second thread > > doesn't > > > always give you that much benefit. Wait a bit, the 8 core consumer cpus > > are > > > just around the corner. Then we can get some serious parallelism. It > > would > > > be nice to write code knowing you have a half dozen cores to play with > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Shane Arnold" <clontar...@iinet.net.au> > > > To: "Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list" > > > <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> > > > Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 4:07 PM > > > Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support > > > > > > > > > > But it's at capacity on one core. > > > > > > > > The process chews clocks, so if you had a Dual Core 2Ghz it's > currently > > > > only got 1000Mhz of clock to play with, whereas if it were > > multithreaded > > > > it could spread the load over both cores, meaning it now has 2000Mhz > to > > > > play with and can manage it's load much better than just thrashing > the > > > > one core. > > > > > > > > On 5/01/2010 7:55 AM, Tony Paloma wrote: > > > >> It's not like saying I don't want a 2000MHz CPU because I'm not > > gaining > > > >> any > > > >> CPU power out of threading. It's just spreading the workload around. > > > >> > > > >> My point was, right now my CPU is at capacity and adding threading > > into > > > >> the > > > >> mix will not help. > > > >> > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > >> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > > > >> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Ook > > > >> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 3:31 PM > > > >> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > > >> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support > > > >> > > > >> If multi-threaded code takes 100% of two cores, then it probably > lags > > > bad > > > >> with just one core. It's like saying I don't want a 2000 MHz cpu > > because > > > >> it > > > >> already takes 100% of my 1000MHz cpu... > > > >> > > > >> If you have a multi-core system, then you should set affinity to a > > > single > > > >> core so the app doesn't get swapped from core to core. If we > actually > > > had > > > >> multi-threaded code, we could do the same thing - decide for > ourselves > > > >> how > > > >> many cores it uses. > > > >> > > > >> I vote for 64 bit multi-threaded code. And I'm going to wait for the > > > >> easter > > > >> bunny to bring it because that is likely to be the only way we will > > get > > > >> it... > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Tony Paloma"<drunkenf...@hotmail.com> > > > >> To: "'Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list'" > > > >> <hlds_linux@list.valvesoftware.com> > > > >> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:56 PM > > > >> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> I'm not a fan of adding multi-threading to TF2 servers only because > > > with > > > >>> 32 > > > >>> players it's already taking 100% CPU of one core -- I don't need it > > > >>> taking > > > >>> 100% of two. > > > >>> > > > >>> "Oh! Just set processor affinity!" you might say. Ya, now the > > threading > > > >>> support would still only be hurting things, not helping (added > > > overhead, > > > >>> starved threads, etc.). > > > >>> > > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>> From: hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com > > > >>> [mailto:hlds_linux-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of > > > Nephyrin > > > >>> Zey > > > >>> Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 2:47 PM > > > >>> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list > > > >>> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] TF2 server multi-threaded support > > > >>> > > > >>> Lets add: 64-bit support, better instruction set utilization, > better > > > >>> optimization, and free candy to the wishlist. Until valve actually > > > >>> commits people to this its probably not happening soon > > > >>> > > > >>> - Neph > > > >>> > > > >>> On 01/04/2010 04:00 PM, Kyle Sanderson wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> I too would like to know this information, the list has gotten > > > quite... > > > >>>> > > > >>> dry > > > >>> > > > >>>> for the latest HLDS/SRCDS informaton, and or for update timelines. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Kyle. > > > >>>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:41 AM, f0rkz<h...@f0rkznet.net> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> I know that I have at least brought this to the list's attention > > > once. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Does anyone have any information on if/when TF2 will start > > utilizing > > > >>>>> multi-threaded/multi-core processing? CPUs are going down in > speed > > > and > > > >>>>> up in cores lately. If you want anything decent (3.0GHZ+) you > are > > > >>>>> paying for it. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Left4Dead/Left4Dead2 runs like a champ and can have 100+ threads > > > >>>>> running > > > >>>>> without a problem. We need this for TF2 as well... > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> We currently balance two tf2 servers on two separate 2.0GHZ cores > > > >>>>> which > > > >>>>> is working for now but that chokes us there. It would be nice to > > be > > > >>>>> able to run these spread out over the two cores. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> -f0rkz > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > > archives, > > > >>>>> please visit: > > > >>>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > > >>>> > > > >>> please visit: > > > >>> > > > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > > >>> please visit: > > > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > > archives, > > > >>> please visit: > > > >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > >> please visit: > > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > >> please visit: > > > >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, > > > > please visit: > > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > > please visit: > > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > > please visit: > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
