A games company with no supporting server admins is a games company with
customers with jack shit to play online.

How the hell can you say that Valve owe them nothing? Server admins pay
monthly for dedicated servers with their *own money* to play a game they
love, I personally think they're brilliant.


Kind regards,
*Saul Rennison*


On 30 July 2011 20:50, Brian <[email protected]> wrote:

> Actually Valve owes its customers everything. Now I am not slamming Valve
> at all. I have bought multiple copies of damn near everything they have
> made. But the fact is they wouldn't be anything without us. They wouldn't be
> the giant they are without the modders, the community, the server ops, the
> players, all of us. It is a business and without customers it is just some
> guys sitting around.
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: [email protected]
> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 11:45 AM
>
> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Team Fortress 2 Update Released
>
> Cool it with the atitude. Valve owes you nothing. Go get some sun.
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Bajdechi \"Nightbox\" Alexandru" <[email protected]>
> Sender: 
> hlds_linux-bounces@list.**valvesoftware.com<[email protected]>
> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 18:24:35
> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list<hlds_linux@list.**
> valvesoftware.com <[email protected]>>
> Reply-To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list
> <hlds_linux@list.**valvesoftware.com <[email protected]>>
> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Team Fortress 2 Update Released
>
> My server just crashed right after the map changed. I'm already losing
> patience, What the hell does it takes so long for a fix ? It's more than a
> week already.
>
> 2011/7/30 Jesse Porter <[email protected]>
>
>  And from (I think!) 2Fort:
>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**006836,0.000000) on
>> rotating_sky_clouds
>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**002686,0.000000) on
>> rotating_sky_clouds2
>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**006836,0.000000) on
>> rotating_sky_clouds
>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**002686,0.000000) on
>> rotating_sky_clouds2
>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**006836,0.000000) on
>> rotating_sky_clouds
>> Bad SetLocalAngles(0.000000,3600.**002686,0.000000) on
>> rotating_sky_clouds2
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