Just to make sure you are safe make sure you are running a raffle and not a lottery.
It needs to be open to everyone and there should not be any entry fee. Just look at any giveaway: "no purchase necessary". If you charge an "entry" fee it is considered a lottery and is completely illegal unless you are a registered non-profit organization. ----- Original Message ----- From: "hlds linux-request" <[email protected]> To: "hlds linux" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:25:37 AM Subject: hlds_linux Digest, Vol 56, Issue 32 Send hlds_linux mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of hlds_linux digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Method To Increase Server Traffic (PAL-18) 2. Re: Method To Increase Server Traffic (PAL-18) 3. Re: Method To Increase Server Traffic (Cameron Munroe) 4. Re: Method To Increase Server Traffic (PAL-18) 5. Re: Method To Increase Server Traffic (PAL-18) 6. Re: Method To Increase Server Traffic (Cameron Munroe) 7. Re: Method To Increase Server Traffic (PAL-18) 8. Re: Method To Increase Server Traffic (Cameron Munroe) 9. Re: Method To Increase Server Traffic (Marcin Lis) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 00:58:45 -0400 From: PAL-18 <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Method To Increase Server Traffic Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'll address all your valid points: The Premium/Standard server packages are not set in stone. I'll rework them to make it more fair. Once a larger player/server base has joined, i'll increase the prize amount and add more prizes. As for the idlers cheating. This has been alleviated via a 3 hour expiration. Every 3 hours you must refresh your server activation or else it expires and you dont gain anymore points. Money earned through premium servers and advertisements will be put back into the contest in the form of better prizes and more prizes. But i have to at least cover my expenses and make a living. So it might take a little while to get to that point, but eventually it will happen. The issue about the too many games. Again, the more players and servers there are, the more prizes will be available. Also, its not like a normal lottery where everyone has the same odds. The more points you have, the higher your odds of winning. Plenty of gaming communities have been running contests for years and Valve has never cracked down on them. Why would they start now? You dont have to worry about your server "talking" to our server. We're using the same query used by sites like Game-Monitor, GameTracker, HLSW, HLStatsX, etc. The registration form and support website will be getting an SSL certificate as soon as possible. But do you realize that your city/state/country information is fully visible to anyone who looks up your IP. For legal reasons, those under 13 cannot join the contest. I would allow it if i could, but its illegal. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 01:11:21 -0400 From: PAL-18 <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Method To Increase Server Traffic Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed It's my priority for this contest to be as fair to the players and servers as possible (within reason). What do you think about the following change to the Premium/Standard packages: The $5 premium fee will be removed. All servers start out as a standard server (+1 point). When a server refers 50 players (who've activated their account and provided steamid), that server automatically get's upgraded to premium and stays premium indefinitely. Like? Don't Like? Have a suggestion? ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:27:53 -0700 From: Cameron Munroe <[email protected]> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Method To Increase Server Traffic Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I'll respond to what I can, as I can't respond to things that have not been set in stone. :) As for the idlers cheating. This has been alleviated via a 3 hour expiration. Every 3 hours you must refresh your server activation or else it expires and you don't gain anymore points. Then you will be having issues where players are kicked from the que every 3 hours, which isn't bad. Though this may partially fix the issue with idlers, someone like me can right a script to about anything and auto log back into that system. Might want to add a re-captcha. Money earned through premium servers and advertisements will be put back into the contest in the form of better prizes and more prizes. But i have to at least cover my expenses and make a living. So it might take a little while to get to that point, but eventually it will happen. We aren't stating that some of it can't get be used to further the growth of your company, rather we are stating to increase the prizes once you have the ability too. The issue about the too many games. Again, the more players and servers there are, the more prizes will be available. Also, its not like a normal lottery where everyone has the same odds. The more points you have, the higher your odds of winning. So what I am stating here is that I could make many accounts and Idle therefore getting me weapons, and I high chance to win. Plenty of gaming communities have been running contests for years and Valve has never cracked down on them. Why would they start now? This isn't like a community run thing, this is a prize for anyone hosting your token. I can compare it to pinion's setup, but rather have you checked with Valve, though I due admit they are elusive. The registration form and support website will be getting an SSL certificate as soon as possible. But do you realize that your city/state/country information is fully visible to anyone who looks up your IP. Yes, but it isn't exact. This is rather broad and is more of point of yeah it is close to here, and not your house address. For legal reasons, those under 13 cannot join the contest. I would allow it if i could, but its illegal. Yes, but sadly the fact is that they are a base of players on game servers now. In my opinion they are probably 25% of the players. Forum post so you reference, post, point to, state is a lie, or completely ignore. https://www.town-assembly.com/index.php?p=/discussion/42/capture-the-prize-a-scam On 10/16/2012 9:58 PM, PAL-18 wrote: > I'll address all your valid points: > > The Premium/Standard server packages are not set in stone. I'll > rework them to make it more fair. > > Once a larger player/server base has joined, i'll increase the prize > amount and add more prizes. > > As for the idlers cheating. This has been alleviated via a 3 hour > expiration. Every 3 hours you must refresh your server activation or > else it expires and you dont gain anymore points. > > Money earned through premium servers and advertisements will be put > back into the contest in the form of better prizes and more prizes. > But i have to at least cover my expenses and make a living. So it > might take a little while to get to that point, but eventually it will > happen. > > The issue about the too many games. Again, the more players and > servers there are, the more prizes will be available. Also, its not > like a normal lottery where everyone has the same odds. The more > points you have, the higher your odds of winning. > > Plenty of gaming communities have been running contests for years and > Valve has never cracked down on them. Why would they start now? > > You dont have to worry about your server "talking" to our server. > We're using the same query used by sites like Game-Monitor, > GameTracker, HLSW, HLStatsX, etc. > > The registration form and support website will be getting an SSL > certificate as soon as possible. But do you realize that your > city/state/country information is fully visible to anyone who looks up > your IP. > > For legal reasons, those under 13 cannot join the contest. I would > allow it if i could, but its illegal. > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 01:36:13 -0400 From: PAL-18 <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Method To Increase Server Traffic Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Already have a captcha in place for server activation (Google Recaptcha). It was always my plan to have kick ass prizes. In fact the very first prize i launched with was $500 (for each prize), but only 6 people played and it wasnt feasible for a prize that big for 6 people so i lowered it to $50 for each winner. But there will be better prizes, mark my word. And not just cash, i plan on doing computer hardware (high end video card), etc. As for the idle issue. Yes there are issues but I have some hidden things in place to make it harder to cheat. Most of the players under 13 are the bane of server operators. Aside from having high pitch whiny voices, they usually break the most rules (as least from what ive seen on my Garrys Mod Servers). So from a server admin perspective, its a good thing they aren't allowed to participate. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 01:46:18 -0400 From: PAL-18 <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Method To Increase Server Traffic Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Oh and i made a mistake a few replies ago. It's not a lottery. It's a contest because contestants dont have to buy entry into the contest. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:56:13 -0700 From: Cameron Munroe <[email protected]> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Method To Increase Server Traffic Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Most of the players under 13 are the bane of server operators. Aside from having high pitch whiny voices, they usually break the most rules (as least from what ive seen on my Garrys Mod Servers). So from a server admin perspective, its a good thing they aren't allowed to participate. You wouldn't take them so they came here, to my servers. It was always my plan to have kick ass prizes. In fact the very first prize i launched with was $500 (for each prize), but only 6 people played and it wasnt feasible for a prize that big for 6 people so i lowered it to $50 for each winner. But there will be better prizes, mark my word. And not just cash, i plan on doing computer hardware (high end video card), etc. Pinion was able to pull off the fact that they could award the server owners when one of there players also one, is it possible for you? The items are great, but still the fact is now about getting a bunch of cats and hearding them to the sign in or it will never get off the floor, and yes they are cats. Forum post so you reference, post, point to, state is a lie, or completely ignore. https://www.town-assembly.com/index.php?p=/discussion/42/capture-the-prize-a-scam On 10/16/2012 10:36 PM, PAL-18 wrote: > Already have a captcha in place for server activation (Google Recaptcha). > > It was always my plan to have kick ass prizes. In fact the very first > prize i launched with was $500 (for each prize), but only 6 people > played and it wasnt feasible for a prize that big for 6 people so i > lowered it to $50 for each winner. But there will be better prizes, > mark my word. And not just cash, i plan on doing computer hardware > (high end video card), etc. > > As for the idle issue. Yes there are issues but I have some hidden > things in place to make it harder to cheat. > > Most of the players under 13 are the bane of server operators. Aside > from having high pitch whiny voices, they usually break the most rules > (as least from what ive seen on my Garrys Mod Servers). So from a > server admin perspective, its a good thing they aren't allowed to > participate. > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 02:11:37 -0400 From: PAL-18 <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Method To Increase Server Traffic Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed You wouldn't take them so they came here, to my servers. Its not that i dont take them on my servers but those who dont listen to everyone's pleas of mercy get vote banned (1 hour temporary) by all the other players. Pinion was able to pull off the fact that they could award the server owners when one of there players also one, is it possible for you? The items are great, but still the fact is now about getting a bunch of cats and hearding them to the sign in or it will never get off the floor, and yes they are cats. This system is actually already in place on my site. It was for players only, but now that server hosts dont have to pay, i can open it for server hosts too. The way it works is this: refer the most active players (4 points to be considered active) each month and win the prize. The count resets each month to keep it fair for everyone. Every user who signs up gets a unique registration url and this url when clicked creates a cookie that lasts for 1 month so even if the player doesnt sign up right away, the registration will still be credited to you. Also, nice comparison about the cats. :3 (these guys are pro's! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7yqlTMvp8) ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:17:06 -0700 From: Cameron Munroe <[email protected]> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Method To Increase Server Traffic Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Well, I'm glad we could smash heads a little bit, I will come back criticizing once some changes have been made and maybe just maybe you will get some A++ ratings. Forum post so you reference, post, point to, state is a lie, or completely ignore. https://www.town-assembly.com/index.php?p=/discussion/42/capture-the-prize-a-scam On 10/16/2012 11:11 PM, PAL-18 wrote: > You wouldn't take them so they came here, to my servers. > > Its not that i dont take them on my servers but those who dont > listen to > everyone's pleas of mercy get vote banned (1 hour temporary) by all > the > other players. > > > Pinion was able to pull off the fact that they could award the server > owners when one of there players also one, is it possible for you? The > items are great, but still the fact is now about getting a bunch of > cats and hearding them to the sign in or it will never get off the > floor, and yes they are cats. > > This system is actually already in place on my site. It was for > players > only, but now that server hosts dont have to pay, i can open it for > server > hosts too. The way it works is this: refer the most active players (4 > points to be considered active) each month and win the prize. The > count > resets each month to keep it fair for everyone. Every user who > signs up gets > a unique registration url and this url when clicked creates a > cookie that > lasts for 1 month so even if the player doesnt sign up right away, the > registration will still be credited to you. > > Also, nice comparison about the cats. :3 (these guys are pro's! > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7yqlTMvp8) ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 10:27:10 +0200 From: Marcin Lis <[email protected]> To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Method To Increase Server Traffic Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Fuck you! Wys?ane z iPhone'a Dnia 17 pa? 2012 o godz. 08:17 Cameron Munroe <[email protected]> napisa?(a): > Well, I'm glad we could smash heads a little bit, I will come back > criticizing once some changes have been made and maybe just maybe you will > get some A++ ratings. > > > Forum post so you reference, post, point to, state is a lie, or completely > ignore. > https://www.town-assembly.com/index.php?p=/discussion/42/capture-the-prize-a-scam > > > On 10/16/2012 11:11 PM, PAL-18 wrote: >> You wouldn't take them so they came here, to my servers. >> >> Its not that i dont take them on my servers but those who dont listen to >> everyone's pleas of mercy get vote banned (1 hour temporary) by all the >> other players. >> >> >> Pinion was able to pull off the fact that they could award the server owners >> when one of there players also one, is it possible for you? The items are >> great, but still the fact is now about getting a bunch of cats and hearding >> them to the sign in or it will never get off the floor, and yes they are >> cats. >> >> This system is actually already in place on my site. It was for players >> only, but now that server hosts dont have to pay, i can open it for server >> hosts too. The way it works is this: refer the most active players (4 >> points to be considered active) each month and win the prize. The count >> resets each month to keep it fair for everyone. Every user who signs up >> gets >> a unique registration url and this url when clicked creates a cookie that >> lasts for 1 month so even if the player doesnt sign up right away, the >> registration will still be credited to you. >> >> Also, nice comparison about the cats. :3 (these guys are pro's! >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7yqlTMvp8) > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux End of hlds_linux Digest, Vol 56, Issue 32 ****************************************** _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
