Steam does not know who is banned from a specific server and never will. Only the server knows who is banned. If you allow bans on a HWID, the server knows the HWID, and thus so do the 'server ops'.
Scruppy Dawg <[email protected]> wrote: >As long as Valve stores the HWID for each SteamID then they could make that >available as a banning mechanism to server ops without exposing it. They >would just have to add something to the Steam authentication when you join >a server and check that HWID against your banned list. > >I would ban a SteamID and add the option that I want the HWID associated >with it banned. > >SteamID A with HWID 1111 is banned from my servers. > >But later if SteamID B joins with HWID 1111 a check is done on auth and >they are not allowed to join. > >I would have to think most of this logging is already in place and it would >just be a matter of changing the server and auth method. > > >On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Bjorn Wielens <[email protected]> wrote: > >> That wouldn't work. unless Valve implements a global ban system where they >> track HWIDs and such for bans (which they never will do) , the HWID would >> HAVE to be shared to be able to ban by it. You can hardly ban someone by a >> particular attribute of their account (or indeed check to see if they are >> banned by said attribute) without actually knowing the attribute in the >> first place. >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Scruppy Dawg <[email protected]> >> To: Mart-Jan Reeuwijk <[email protected]>; Half-Life dedicated Linux >> server mailing list <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 3:33:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Add something to the game so that server ops can >> ban HWID too. >> >> >> Like I said, the HWID itself wouldn't be shared. When you ban a SteamID >> there would be something you would add to the ban command to issue a HWID >> ban on that SteamID as well. >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Mart-Jan Reeuwijk <[email protected] >> >wrote: >> >> > Steamguard generates a random number for the client, which is "linked" to >> > the machine afaik with the steam client. You cannot get that one, that >> > would be bad. >> > >> > The HWID, is generated at installation of steam I think, and is probably >> > passed on to Valve at logon every time. Never really looked at it. But >> > sharing that has other security issues I guess. >> > >> > its a strange thing, for things conflict a lot. >> > - Valve can't discuss individual accounts specifics (being a alt account >> > of somebody would prolly be not good for them in legal) >> > - sharing such identifying info would benefit the server owners in the >> > amount of effort needed to keep their servers clean, but that would be >> > defeated by some those hackers would start to do to prevent such. >> > >> > I do not think valve would want to start that arms race. I rather have >> > them up the par on VAC, as far as I hear, there are now various cheats >> that >> > aren't been vac'd by valve after x time. They do move over to new account >> > for too many servers they got banned on to be able to join much. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >________________________________ >> > > From: Eli Witt <[email protected]> >> > >To: Half-Life dedicated Linux server mailing list < >> > [email protected]> >> > >Sent: Friday, 23 August 2013, 22:05 >> > >Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Add something to the game so that server ops >> > can ban HWID too. >> > > >> > > >> > >It really depends on how the HWID is generated and if they're fuzzy or >> > not. >> > >It could literally be as simple as a 1 digit change to a MAC address on >> a >> > >NIC that's not even active, or it could stamp every piece of hardware >> that >> > >it can pull unique information from and fuzzy the shit out of it. >> > > >> > > >> > >On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 7:56 AM, dan <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > >> > >> On 23/08/2013 01:43, Scruppy Dawg wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> Everyone knows the HWIDs are stored due to Steamguard (Or some form >> of >> > >>> HWID, anyway). Couldn't Valve simply add something so that server >> > >>> operators, when banning a SteamID, can also elect to ban the >> associated >> > >>> HWID? The HWID never needs to be exposed to the server admins. >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> Is it difficult to change hwid though? >> > >> >> > >> I can't say I've looked at it or care about it, but if something as >> > simple >> > >> as >> > >> changing the mac address alters it, it's not likely to improve >> anything. >> > >> >> > >> It sounds like one of these things that might work for a week or 2 and >> > then >> > >> cheaters would just figure out a way of working around it. >> > >> >> > >> Auto detecting cheating and kicking / banning seems the best approach. >> > >> Doesn't SMAC and the alternatives work well enough to do that? >> > >> >> > >> I've got to say I don't really notice a significant problem with >> > cheaters >> > >> in TF2 >> > >> on the servers I play on. >> > >> >> > >> I can't imagine why someone would keep creating accounts and going >> back >> > to >> > >> the same server >> > >> only to be kicked and banned immediately, unless it's reached the >> point >> > >> where >> > >> he's just doing it to wind the server owner and admins up. >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> Dan >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ >> > >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > >> please visit: >> > >> https://list.valvesoftware. >> **com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/**hlds_linux< >> > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux> >> > >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >> > >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> > >https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux >> >_______________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please >visit: >https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds_linux
