To get back to first principles, IMHO one of the major reasons to create a
book vs. web pages is to have something to hold when not at the computer,
with very good TOC and Indexes.

What do you guys think?

-Owen

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:09 PM, kevinpfromnm <[email protected]>wrote:

> +1 for lyx/latex.
>
> With lyx the learning curve is not high for general submission.  final
> styling and editing might take a bit more know-how, but with the way
> everything is structured that should not be a major time consumer.
> Also, easy conversion to any number of other formats.
> Indexing/ToC is big.  Any sizable book editor needs something along
> those lines.
>
> On Jan 12, 11:23 am, Bryan Larsen <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > I've not tried this, but it would be even better to have a mechanism to
> > > directly include a chunk of code from another file, ie specify "give me
> > > lines 24-40 from some/path/foo.rb, starts with 'class Something'" - the
> > > last bit in the same spirit that diff/patch use context to warn when
> > > things don't match up. That would be the ultimate "make the examples
> > > match the book" technique.
> >
> > agility uses git to do this.
> >
> >
> >
> > >> Another advantage is that you don't need to learn another editor --
> > >> you need an editor with a good markdown mode.   Luckily, the editor
> > >> you currently use for programming will probably work.   Both emacs and
> > >> TextMate have good markdown modes, as will any popular ruby
> > >> programmer's editor.
> >
> > > I can't think of any reason that the same editors couldn't be used to
> > > handle LaTeX - TextMate's got a sizable mode for it, and I remember
> > > editing TeX code in emacs on a vt220... Certainly, Markdown is easier
> > > for inexperienced users, but I doubt anybody who's afraid of structured
> > > markup is hanging around here... :)
> >
> > The difference is that markdown looks reasonable in a text editor --
> > LaTeX looks strange, which is why LyX was created.
> >
> >
> >
> > > The biggest issue I could see in transcoding between the two is getting
> > > the right figure / chapter markings in. Automatic figure numbering,
> > > tables of contents and back/forward refs are some of the major wins for
> > > TeX - no more stray references to "Figure XX" floating around.
> >
> > This is partially mitigated by writing the chapters in markdown and
> > putting the book together in LaTeX.   We'd have to have a consistent
> > strategy for figures, tables and indices, but it would be doable, since
> > LaTeX would do the hard stuff.
> >
> >
> >
> > > My other peeve with Markdown is the silly "internal emphasis" rule,
> > > which tends to munge Ruby variable names. We've run into it on the
> > > cookbook, and Github got so tired of tripping over it that they dropped
> > > it in "GitHub-flavored Markdown". Maybe there's a workaround for that?
> >
> > I think so.   The cookbook should definitely steal the underscore rule
> > from GFM.  There's too much that would be broken with their new-line
> > rule, though.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Bryan
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