Thanks, Cris, I did not know about John's paper 
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~jrh13/papers/me.html.  It looks very interesting, but 
his interesting details aren't what  what I want to talk about.   I want to 
know if my education ideas fall apart if e.g. we put no `limit on depth of 
chaining.'   Otherwise we're talking about Michael's heuristics, where you 
fiddle with various parameters trying to `hit the sweet spot' where tedious 
things are proven easily and astounding results don't get proven automatically. 
 I'm satisfied that experts like John & Freek have done a great job with the 
heuristics.  I'm not going to try to explain that to my audience of 
mathematicians, even if I understood it myself.  I'm looking for some kind of 
upper bound on how  astounding a result you can prove with little work if we 
have no heuristics, e.g. no `limit on depth of chaining.'  

-- 
Best,
Bill 

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