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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of 
Shane Amante
> do is a tall order.  I also think the is more than a desire to ease 
> configuration burden, this is a must since most users on the Internet 
> have very basic technical skills.

So, I agree with this point, but are we constraining our thinking too early?  
For example, if the assumption is there is a singular CPE-router/FW that has 
been allocated a /56 from a provider, then:
- why couldn't the FW provide 'stateful firewall' service for the first 
'covering' /60 of IPv6 prefixes (/64's) allocated within the house;
- but, the CPE-router/FW would /NOT/ provide stateful or stateless firewall for 
the remaining 7/8's of address space allocated within the house.

Of course, just change the 'mask' lengths to represent whatever the WG thinks 
are 'sensible' defaults.

And, we'd need to decide if this is something a device in the home can 
'dynamically' request from the CPE-router/FW via, say, DHCPv6 or if there are 
better options ...

-shane


SC>  Agree. I would like to see more openness in the design of 'future home 
network' where in the future we might need to do more auto-configuration; the 
networks and devices might be such that they would be more lightweight and 
suitable for address auto-configuration than today's DCHP only home-network - 
though DHCP(v6) support would be absolutely needed for backward compatibility. 
But constraining homenet into DHCP-only network will limit the applicability of 
new type of networks, topologies, devices and services etc.

-Samita








>> 
>> A different idea is that the firewall always work in a very minimal 
>> mode by default (e.g. it passes no traffic, or maybe only outgoing 
>> port 80 traffic, but its configuration interface is enabled for the 
>> internal
>> ports) so that the user must configure it in order to get it to do 
>> anything useful.  That way, the first thing a user learns about his 
>> router/firewall is how to configure it.  Then you want to focus on 
>> making the configuration interface easy to understand.  (You also 
>> have to figure out how to keep the user from hooking up the internal 
>> port to the external connection.)
> [jjmb] I said something similar to this is in an earlier email.  To 
> the start there should perhaps be a basic configuration that protects 
> the user and allows the service to be usable.
>> 
>> But these are user interface issues, not protocol issues.   Perhaps
>> they're better addressed in homenet than here.
> [jjmb] I could image some protocol work that could ease the pain here, 
> UI for sure could facilitate ease of use.
>> 
>> Keith
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