On 10/11/11 18:38 , Ted Lemon wrote:
> On Oct 11, 2011, at 9:03 PM, Michael Richardson wrote:
>> However, I am thinking that we can perhaps bootstrap equipment that has
>> never been configured (or has been factory reset) in some fashion such
>> that if the equipment is "virginal" that it can essentially always try
>> some default keys, and bring up enough networking to let all equipment
>> be discovered and identified.  There would be strong nag screens to get
>> the user to up a network password.
> 
> A pre-shared key that is pre-shared to every device is the same as no
> key. 

Not really, it could serve an important hygenic function, notionaly, it
could be filtered by default on all non-home-network gear. that is
serves the purpose of identifying a well-known-service. there are of
course other perhaps better ways to implment that.

>  So you might as well not bother with that complexity.  
> Conceivably CGA could be used to publish public/private key pairs
> allowing devices to automatically recognize each other and present their
> relationships in a UI for the end user to approve, but that's not
> precisely plug and play.
> 
> I think the simplest thing would be to require that each device be able
> to talk to a USB drive.   Each device collects all the public keys on
> the USB drive, and stores their own there.   Devices then share their
> public key with other devices identified on the USB drive, so that as
> each device joins the network, the other devices learn about it.   This
> isn't bulletproof—an infected PC that's configured with these keys could
> be used to gain access to the keys, for example.   But it's a lot better
> than a well-known key.
> 
> Of course, this isn't quite as plug and play as you seem to want, and it
> requires that each device have a USB port, which might not be
> acceptable.   Plus, it would mean that the IETF would have to talk about
> hardware, which seems like a bit of a non-starter.   But I think it's
> the right way to solve the problem.
> 
> 
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