My request was more dogfooding. a *lot* more dogfooding.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Markus Stenberg <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 30.6.2015 15.41, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Ray Bellis wrote:
>> If I understand correctly, work is now ongoing to create a separate
>> implementation of HNCP? This would be a good step to address my concern
>> I have voiced privately to the authors that not enough people have gone
>> through the document. I also find them hard to read (some parts have
>> been changed after I gave this feedback) and it uses terminology that
>> might benefit from further explanation and/or making examples what they
>> mean. For instance, the section about "common link" (section 4). Upon
>> reading this, I think I understand that this applies to for instance a
>> shared ethernet segment where both can see each others HNCP packets.
>> Having an example here about why things are done, what problems are
>> solved etc, would probably make it easier to understand rationale for
>> the choices.
>>
>> 6.2.4 "create an on-link route"? What's an on-link route? Also, why is
>> it a "MAY" that it doesn't create an address for itself to this prefix?
>> An explanation and rationale here would be good.
>>
>> 6.2.6 The list of things to do there isn't clear to me. "wait for them
>> to be applied"? Applied where? How? Using the HCNP Prefix Assignment
>> Algorithm? In the RIB? It implies HNCP Prefix Assignment Algo
>> afterwards, but this isn't clear to me.
>>
>> Section 11 about the MUST for RFC7084 compliance. What parts of RFC7084
>> must be implemented? MUSTs? SHOULDs?
>
>
> First of all, thanks for the feedback on the content (again).
>
>> I personally think this WGLC is premature. I will not oppose it going
>> forward, but I have concerns that the document(s) isn't ready for
>> shipping off as RFCs yet due to not enough people having read them.
>>
>> So I think I am basically saying that the documents are probably
>> correct, but there is still very valuable information still only in the
>> heads of the implementors that has not been written down in the
>> document, that would be valuable to have in there and that would also
>> help future implementors who might be reading the document trying to
>> understand what's going on, why things are done the way they are, etc.
>
>
> IETF tradition is that without WGLC or other implemenation efforts, there is
> not much action either. HNCP document is already soon 1.5 years old and the
> number of reviews is not _that_ great outside the main implementation crew.
>
> Hopefully Juliusz will give us feedback on his results ASAP, and obviously
> any other reviews are welcome.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Markus
>
>
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